The general USC debate thread (merged)

I don't think this will be a problem for their current staff. I wonder if this gets Lane an automatic one year extension. It's fairly common for coaches taking over at schools under investigation to have a clause tying an automatic extension to the number of years and type of penalties the school receives. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Sexton got Kiffin an extra year for each year they are barred from the postseason.

do you think he is really gonna need it?
 
Scholarship reductions at places where they recruit the best of the best are overrated. Alabama fell off because they had an idiot coach, not because the 'AA cut the size of their roster. You saw it didn't take Saban long to ramp it back up to speed. I'll be interested to see if SC takes the penalties or chooses to appeal.

Agreed.

I think you can overcome scholly limitations at places like SC, Texas, Florida. The depth is always that good.
 
If this report of the sanctions is accurate, i'd call it a slap on the wrist. That is not a pelnalty that is going to put enough fear in usc or any other program to cause any changes in the way they are bending the rules.
 
If this report of the sanctions is accurate, i'd call it a slap on the wrist. That is not a pelnalty that is going to put enough fear in usc or any other program to cause any changes in the way they are bending the rules.

No penalty to date has done it so far.
 
If this report of the sanctions is accurate, i'd call it a slap on the wrist. That is not a pelnalty that is going to put enough fear in usc or any other program to cause any changes in the way they are bending the rules.

The bowl ban would hurt a team expecting to compete for a national championship. However, USC was unlikely to be one this year anyway coming off a 9-4 season.
 
ESPN just reported that there will be a press conference tomorrow on the NCAA sanctions against USC. I'm hoping for loss of scholarships and TV. Wishful thinking.
 
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ESPN just reported that there will be a press conference tomorrow on the NCAA sanctions against USC. I'm hoping for loss of scholarships and TV. Wishful thinking.

TV ban isn't happening. There will almost certainly be scholarship losses, but not significant enough to cripple USC's recruiting efforts. As has been been previously mentioned, USC doesn't typically use its full allotment of scholarships anyway.
 
The thing that would hurt them the most, IMO, is a minimum 2 year no post season play...which is actually almost a lock to happen.
 
As much as I've always disliked USC and Kiffin leaving us for them only strengthening my dislike for them, I hope they get thrown under the bus and the bus throws it in reverse to make another pass. Boom!! ...Roasted!
 
If it stays as 1 yr ban and 17 scholorships it will not be a hammer drop at all. I said a couple weeks ago in here that less than 2 yrs and less than 20 scholorships is a speed bump for them. They redshirt, they are not competing for a NC, and they get high enough recruits to offset several. I do think the leaks of 2 years were accurate and USC made a play to get this with no appeal.
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When did Carroll cheat?

Unless I'm mistaken, this is going on over Reggie Bush receiving illegal benefits from somebody who had zero connection to the University of Southern California. Ignorant though he may have been, and though USC deserves punishment, I will continue to respect Pete Carroll as a college coach until somebody comes out and shows me with solid evidence exactly when and how he cheated.
 
When did Carroll cheat?

Unless I'm mistaken, this is going on over Reggie Bush receiving illegal benefits from somebody who had zero connection to the University of Southern California. Ignorant though he may have been, and though USC deserves punishment, I will continue to respect Pete Carroll as a college coach until somebody comes out and shows me with solid evidence exactly when and how he cheated.

If you think Pete Carroll didn't know what was going on then you need to wake up.. Todd McNair knew about everything and he was just the position coach. Carroll knew and I would be willing to bet that this all played a role in him moving on.
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When did Carroll cheat?

Unless I'm mistaken, this is going on over Reggie Bush receiving illegal benefits from somebody who had zero connection to the University of Southern California. Ignorant though he may have been, and though USC deserves punishment, I will continue to respect Pete Carroll as a college coach until somebody comes out and shows me with solid evidence exactly when and how he cheated.

He asked agents/marketers to hire his players as interns then lied about it to the NCAA; he invited agents & marketers to the sidelines, to practices, and inside the locker room (including a bunch of felons, fraudsters and convicted criminals with gang ties); he retained McNair to his staff (a felon with Vick-like habits & a questionable reputation in recruiting circles), assigned McNair to elite recruits, saw and had reason to know of all kinds of misconduct, and kept McNair all the way through this public time where the evidence was evident of pervasive impermissible conduct. That's just what is known and can be documented by an NCAA without subpoena authority.
 

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