The Great 2022 and Beyond Recession Thread

#451
#451
Rasputin_Vol said:
This really isn't that hard of a concept to understand.
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No it really isn’t. As I explain to all of my protégés your career is your own and nobody else’s. It’s your property and you are expected to care for it and grow it. If you leave it to others to manage you won’t get where you want to be.
 
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#453
#453
NorthDallas40 said:
No it really isn’t. As I explain to all of my protégés your career is your own and nobody else’s. It’s your property and you are expected to care for it and grow it. If you leave it to others to manage you won’t get where you want to be.
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And at the same time, if a company goes through the process of hiring someone, then they have a responsibility to invest in them and train them. Also, if certain training milestones are not met, then fire them or relocate them to where they can be more effective.

You said it yourself that it is a two way street.
 
#454
#454
Rasputin_Vol said:
And at the same time, if a company goes through the process of hiring someone, then they have a responsibility to invest in them and train them. Also, if certain training milestones are not met, then fire them or relocate them to where they can be more effective.

You said it yourself that it is a two way street.
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No they have no such obligation. At all. It’s smart business but no it isn’t an obligation. You’re basically pushing entitlement for the employee. No such charity is guaranteed. Again manage your own career or don’t. And the two way street was between mentor in protege in my example. I’ve been a mentor quite often in my career. I’ve never been an “instructor” which is the angle you’re pushing.
 
#455
#455
NorthDallas40 said:
No they have no such obligation. At all. It’s smart business but no it isn’t an obligation. You’re basically pushing entitlement for the employee. No such charity is guaranteed. Again manage your own career or don’t. And the two way street was between mentor in protege in my example. I’ve been a mentor quite often in my career. I’ve never been an “instructor” which is the angle you’re pushing.
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My gawd... entitlement for the employee WTF? Is that what you really took away from that? I clearly said it is a two way street. If the employee wants to make it in the company, he/she has their responsibility. But at the same time, these companies that are doing the hiring also have a responsibility (assuming they want be productive) to invest in their employees. That means training and time. That was the way it used to be over 30-40 years ago... especially for engineers in my field. I was fortunate enough to come in at a time when a lot of that was still occurring, but it has gradually been phased out by many of these companies. They don't want to invest in their employees, and then wonder why turnover is so high or people are making mistakes. Its not because everyone they hired was a bum or a loser. Its because these companies (for the most part) are too cheap to realize the time and money it takes to train an engineer... or machinist... or tradesman or whatever.
 
#456
#456
Rasputin_Vol said:
My gawd... entitlement for the employee WTF? Is that what you really took away from that? I clearly said it is a two way street. If the employee wants to make it in the company, he/she has their responsibility. But at the same time, these companies that are doing the hiring also have a responsibility (assuming they want be productive) to invest in their employees. That means training and time. That was the way it used to be over 30-40 years ago... especially for engineers in my field. I was fortunate enough to come in at a time when a lot of that was still occurring, but it has gradually been phased out by many of these companies. They don't want to invest in their employees, and then wonder why turnover is so high or people are making mistakes. Its not because everyone they hired was a bum or a loser. Its because these companies (for the most part) are too cheap to realize the time and money it takes to train an engineer... or machinist... or tradesman or whatever.
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Yeah that’s what I took from it because you said it. The employee is owed this. Hey it’s your career Cinderella it’s up to you to be relevant.
 
#457
#457
NorthDallas40 said:
Yeah that’s what I took from it because you said it. The employee is owed this. Hey it’s your career Cinderella it’s up to you to be relevant.
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No. I said the employer has a responsibility (a responsibility to their company's future performance). I didn't say the employee is owed anything. I never said a g*tdamn thing about anyone being owed something. The employer has a responsibility if they plan on getting anything productive out of that employee. On the flip side, the employee also has a responsibility to take control and maximize their time in the company. Again, I said very clearly it is a two way street.
 
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#458
Rasputin_Vol said:
No. I said the employer has a responsibility (a responsibility to their company's future performance). I didn't say the employee is owed anything. I never said a g*tdamn thing about anyone being owed something. The employer has a responsibility if they plan on getting anything productive out of that employee. On the flip side, the employee also has a responsibility to take control and maximize their time in the company. Again, I said very clearly it is a two way street.
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Oh FFS you’re splitting hairs now. You clearly pointed to the burden being on the company for care and feeding of the employees skills. If you’re a professional that burden is on you. Damn I bet you’re a miserable trainee / protege I’d have kicked your entitled ass to the curb.
 
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#459
Ashevolle said:
You know the government can walk and chew gum at the same time, don't you? What makes you think the government should cease all other functions to tackle inflation? Should the FBI, Homeland Security, and military all shutdown until we fix it too?

The Federal Reserve being an independent agent can and should raise rates until we break inflation's back (in my estimation more aggressively than they have to date). That doesnt negate Congress's duty to tax and spend to keep the government working.
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The federal government can’t walk or chew gum on their own. Forget about doing so at the same time.
 
#460
#460
NorthDallas40 said:
Oh FFS you’re splitting hairs now. You clearly pointed to the burden being on the company for care and feeding of the employees skills. If you’re a professional that burden is on you. Damn I bet you’re a miserable trainee / protege I’d have kicked your entitled ass to the curb.
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To a certain extent it is. You act as though companies only have to invest in property, plant and equipment, but you totally ignore the investment in the employees also. That is where the training of their human capital comes in. There is no splitting hairs. But, again for like the 4th time now, I have said it is a two street. There is also a responsibility that the employee has to themselves.
 
#461
#461
Rasputin_Vol said:
To a certain extent it is. You act as though companies only have to invest in property, plant and equipment, but you totally ignore the investment in the employees also. That is where the training of their human capital comes in. There is no splitting hairs. But, again for like the 4th time now, I have said it is a two street. There is also a responsibility that the employee has to themselves.
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So now you’ve see sawed back the other way. If the employee is a professional then their knowledge and skills are their responsibility to grow to make their worth grow. That’s it. The company has ZERO burden but there is a vested interest. The only burden a company has on training is OSHA mandated safety training and any internal process training. Employee personal development is not their responsibility that falls on the employee. But if the company wants to attract and retain talent it’s in their best interest to subsidize that development.

Over my 30+ year career I probably bought 2-3x of engineering text books than I did in college. They are my property. The knowledge I gleaned from them is also my property. As well as the questions asked of senior people and mentoring I received related to those text book topics.

Stop acting like the company is responsible for an employee’s worth.
 
#462
#462
NorthDallas40 said:
So now you’ve see sawed back the other way. If the employee is a professional then their knowledge and skills are their responsibility to grow to make their worth grow. That’s it. The company has ZERO burden but there is a vested interest. The only burden a company has on training is OSHA mandated safety training and any internal process training. Employee personal development is not their responsibility that falls on the employee. But if the company wants to attract and retain talent it’s in their best interest to subsidize that development.

Over my 30+ year career I probably bought 2-3x of engineering text books than I did in college. They are my property. The knowledge I gleaned from them is also my property. As well as the questions asked of senior people and mentoring I received related to those text book topics.

Stop acting like the company is responsible for an employee’s worth.
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All these text books and all that knowledge,,,yet come game day..uhhhh how do I get the game. 🤣

Sorry Bro.
 
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