The Great 2022 and Beyond Recession Thread

#527
#527
hog88 said:
I'm sure you feel that way.
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you base all your business decisions on how a call center from India runs?

you must based on the study you posted. Tell me do you offer Rama Navami or Diwali as paid holidays?
 
#528
#528
hog88 said:
I agree, where it can be done I don't have a problem with it but too many people think they can work from home and be just as productive and they can't. Today's job market allows them to keep jumping ship to avoid reality.
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So you want a recession which is tough on everyone to reset the group of employees who have found their commodity (their labor) to be at an premium in the job market?
Two partners and I just started a business. It launched this week. We train owners and managers on how to develop and maintain healthy relationships among their team. Our advice is, go after the cream of the crop for your jobs and create a culture where they will not want to "jump ship". Smart employers are running to meet the new employee expectations.
 
#529
#529
LouderVol said:
you base all your business decisions on how a call center from India runs?

you must based on the study you posted. Tell me do you offer Rama Navami or Diwali as paid holidays?
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LOL

It's antidotal of course but I don't recall ever having my best most productive employees telling me how productive they are. It's typically been the borderline employees that feel the need to waste time telling me how great of an employee they are.

And no I'm not basing any decisions on those studies, all of my office people have been back in the office (except sales) for a while now. Of course we have flexible schedules (I'm not an ogre) but we don't have anyone working from home full time. Funny thing is I never had to mandate it, they all just started trickling back in after I canned the woman running a daycare on our dime.
 
#530
#530
McDad said:
So you want a recession which is tough on everyone to reset the group of employees who have found their commodity (their labor) to be at an premium in the job market?
Two partners and I just started a business. It launched this week. We train owners and managers on how to develop and maintain healthy relationships among their team. Our advice is, go after the cream of the crop for your jobs and create a culture where they will not want to "jump ship". Smart employers are running to meet the new employee expectations.
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I don't want a recession I think we may need one. And not just for a correction in the labor market.
 
#533
#533
hog88 said:
Reduce inflation and interest rates.
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Good news on inflation, it has slowed considerably.
Rates are where they were when we bought our first home. Where would you like to see rates?
 
#534
#534
hog88 said:
LOL

It's antidotal of course but I don't recall ever having my best most productive employees telling me how productive they are. It's typically been the borderline employees that feel the need to waste time telling me how great of an employee they are.

And no I'm not basing any decisions on those studies, all of my office people have been back in the office (except sales) for a while now. Of course we have flexible schedules (I'm not an ogre) but we don't have anyone working from home full time. Funny thing is I never had to mandate it, they all just started trickling back in after I canned the woman running a daycare on our dime.
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I have been full time in the office since mid 2021, I do better in the office, but its complete crap to think that the opposite isn't true for many.

you are basing your opinion on the need to be back in the office on that study. I offered a meta study that compiled data from multiple studies across multiple industries here in the US that says production went up with WFH. you want to remove that because you found one study on an Indian call center that offered a different line. to me that sounds like its a preference thing and not a real issue. especially concerning regarding your comments on the recession.
 
#535
#535
McDad said:
Good news on inflation, it has slowed considerably.
Rates are where they were when we bought our first home. Where would you like to see rates?
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Rates are higher than when we purchased our first in '96. I'd like to see them go down a couple points and while inflation is slowing it is still too high.
 
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#536
LouderVol said:
I have been full time in the office since mid 2021, I do better in the office, but its complete crap to think that the opposite isn't true for many.

you are basing your opinion on the need to be back in the office on that study. I offered a meta study that compiled data from multiple studies across multiple industries here in the US that says production went up with WFH. you want to remove that because you found one study on an Indian call center that offered a different line. to me that sounds like its a preference thing and not a real issue. especially concerning regarding your comments on the recession.
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I stated a couple times that WFH is great for some employees but for many it isn't and the reality is the slackers are going to ruin it for the ones that can handle working from home. I don't know why you have your panties in such a wad over this? More and more companies are calling people back into the office, that is just a fact.
 
#537
#537
hog88 said:
Rates are higher than when we purchased our first in '96. I'd like to see them go down a couple points and while inflation is slowing it is still too high.
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I just googled it. Said annual inflation this year through June is 3%. Our historical inflation is roughly 2% per year.
 
#543
#543
hog88 said:
That's all fine and dandy and having 6-8% interest on a 150-200k house was doable for people starting out. It's a completely different story when starter houses are in the 300-400k range and that's on out in the suburbs.
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I understand. Wages will continue to inflate.
 
#544
#544
hog88 said:
That's all fine and dandy and having 6-8% interest on a 150-200k house was doable for people starting out. It's a completely different story when starter houses are in the 300-400k range and that's on out in the suburbs.
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My starter house was 80k.
 
#545
#545
hog88 said:
I stated a couple times that WFH is great for some employees but for many it isn't and the reality is the slackers are going to ruin it for the ones that can handle working from home. I don't know why you have your panties in such a wad over this? More and more companies are calling people back into the office, that is just a fact.
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my panties are in a wad because the companies are calling people back in to feed ego, and not for any real reason. your original article even supported that it wasn't for a real reason, and that companies are just getting creative with the messaging to sell a lie.

Lies to screw over employees should be concern for everyone because they either come from or create unequal working conditions. If the companies aren't losing production, there is not an imbalance towards the employees. IMO WFH helped the balance return to the middle after heavily favoring the employer for a long time. something that pushes that balance back towards the employer without offering some return compensation to the employee is a bad thing.

I have long thought if companies are actually open for WFH, but want people back in the office they need to offer some compensation for it. Extra pay, fewer hours, more PTO for office workers. If there is a financial/efficiency gain for the office from working in the office lets see the employee's side of it.

right now the only justification to bring people back is "I don't like it".
 
#546
#546
LouderVol said:
my panties are in a wad because the companies are calling people back in to feed ego, and not for any real reason. your original article even supported that it wasn't for a real reason, and that companies are just getting creative with the messaging to sell a lie.

Lies to screw over employees should be concern for everyone because they either come from or create unequal working conditions. If the companies aren't losing production, there is not an imbalance towards the employees. IMO WFH helped the balance return to the middle after heavily favoring the employer for a long time. something that pushes that balance back towards the employer without offering some return compensation to the employee is a bad thing.

I have long thought if companies are actually open for WFH, but want people back in the office they need to offer some compensation for it. Extra pay, fewer hours, more PTO for office workers. If there is a financial/efficiency gain for the office from working in the office lets see the employee's side of it.

right now the only justification to bring people back is "I don't like it".
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#549
#549
LouderVol said:
my panties are in a wad because the companies are calling people back in to feed ego, and not for any real reason. your original article even supported that it wasn't for a real reason, and that companies are just getting creative with the messaging to sell a lie.

Lies to screw over employees should be concern for everyone because they either come from or create unequal working conditions. If the companies aren't losing production, there is not an imbalance towards the employees. IMO WFH helped the balance return to the middle after heavily favoring the employer for a long time. something that pushes that balance back towards the employer without offering some return compensation to the employee is a bad thing.

I have long thought if companies are actually open for WFH, but want people back in the office they need to offer some compensation for it. Extra pay, fewer hours, more PTO for office workers. If there is a financial/efficiency gain for the office from working in the office lets see the employee's side of it.

right now the only justification to bring people back is "I don't like it".
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Sounds like you need to start your own firm and run it the way you think is best. IMO "my way or the highway" isn't a good way to run a business but as long as you're signing the back of a check instead of the front you have to deal with what the boss likes or doesn't like. And the boss isn't always lying, sometimes they know more about what's going on than you do.
 
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#550
#550
McDad said:
I regret not doubling my real estate portfolio in 2020.
Missed opportunity!
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My childhood home. Think they paid 17K and estimate today is $354K..crazy

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