The Great Labor Force Debate

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McDad said:
This is a hot mess of jumped conclusions, poor comprehension, and misguided thinking.

Do you define skilled worker as an employee others rely on to help live their lives?
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Every job is skilled and requires skill. That shouldn't even be a controversial statement.
What are you going to do when the Republican Party and conservatism consists largely of the working class and working people of this country?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Every job is skilled and requires skill. That shouldn't even be a controversial statement.
What are you going to do when the Republican Party and conservatism consists largely of the working class and working people of this country?
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How do you distinguish (or do you not differentiate) between a profession, a trade, and a skill?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Every job is skilled and requires skill. That shouldn't even be a controversial statement.
What are you going to do when the Republican Party and conservatism consists largely of the working class and working people of this country?
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There's no controversy. Your statement is patently false

You also confused republican with conservative yet again
 
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DonjoVol said:
It sure does. Me and others are free to think anyone way we want about this.

Better get busy campaigning for your man Joe for 2024.
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You're having this conversation with a group of people in which almost all of us are significantly more conservative than you. I honestly have no idea how to classify your politics. You seem conservative in some ways, yet you seem hell bent on socialist ideas in other areas.
 
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Vol423 said:
You're having this conversation with a group of people in which almost all of us are significantly more conservative than you. I honestly have no idea how to classify your politics. You seem conservative in some ways, yet you seem hell bent on socialist ideas in other areas.
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How is me saying every job has skills is socialist? Lol.
 
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McDad said:
This is a hot mess of jumped conclusions, poor comprehension, and misguided thinking.

Do you define skilled worker as an employee others rely on to help live their lives?
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It's not. You fail to comprehend what I'm saying because I have some different beliefs than you.

I'm also letting you know about working people swinging more towards the Republican party and have been since Trump was president. That trend is continuing. How do you feel about that?
 
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DonjoVol said:
It's not. You fail to comprehend what I'm saying because I have some different beliefs than you.

I'm also letting you know about working people swinging more towards the Republican party and have been since Trump was president. That trend is continuing. How do you feel about that?
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I am asking you to distinguish between profession, trade, and skill to help me understand your beliefs.

Did you not see that question?
Have you never considered it before?
Are you unable to answer?
 
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McDad said:
I am asking you to distinguish between profession, trade, and skill to help me understand your beliefs.

Did you not see that question?
Have you never considered it before?
Are you unable to answer?
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Every job is skilled. Are you really that ignorant to understand that statement?
 
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DonjoVol said:
It's not. You fail to comprehend what I'm saying because I have some different beliefs than you.

I'm also letting you know about working people swinging more towards the Republican party and have been since Trump was president. That trend is continuing. How do you feel about that?
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Who exactly falls into the category of "working people"?
 
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DonjoVol said:
You really have an issue with reading comprehension skills. I mentioned that you have to be 18 years of age to operate a slicer. Which means you cannot just hire someone 15 or 16 years old to do just any food service or hospitality job. That is what Deeble was claiming which means they were showing their ignorance on this topic.

It takes skills to do any job out there. I do not know why this is a controversial statement and why people want to go out of their way demean groups of people. As a matter of fact why don't you go work in the restaurant industry now and let us know how easy it is for you.
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You're wasting your own time and sanity trying to explain this to these guys.
 
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utvolpj said:
If you read my post you would see that I did work in a restaurant. I served in one of the busiest restaurants in the country on football game days in the late 90s.

You confuse the ability to complete basic tasks with having a skill. Some are better than others but honestly that usually follows an intelligence curve
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Let's not say "skill" because that seems to trigger a certain emotion on both sides of this.

What you mentioned in the last sentence is the key point. You can either call it skill or mental aptitude or work ethic or just an employable trait... whatever it is called, not too many people have it. It is a rare commodity in the labor market, which is why some of these entry level jobs have such high turnover.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Let's not say "skill" because that seems to trigger a certain emotion on both sides of this.

What you mentioned in the last sentence is the key point. You can either call it skill or mental aptitude or work ethic or just an employable trait... whatever it is called, not too many people have it. It is a rare commodity in the labor market, which is why some of these entry level jobs have such high turnover.
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That's why I differentiate between skill and the ability to complete a basic task. Waiting tables is not very hard but you have to be able to properly compete tasks.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Look man, I'm not talking about every specific job in a service industry. Busboy? Hostess? Sandwich maker at a sub shop? My friends in high school had these jobs. I worked at a grocery stocking shelves. It is unskilled work. Age requirements don't change that. If you have to be 18 to slice meet it's still not a skill that is required. It might be something you can learn, but it's not something you go to school for that requires a certification or education does it?

I'm not sure where you getting that anyone is being demeaned.
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I beg to differ. Skills I learned at the two Cas Walker’s I worked at have served me well in life. Like how not to get sugar in your motorcylcle’s gas tank - don’t park it outside a store in a bad neighborhood (Vestal. Apologies to @Weezer) and steer clear of other stock boys when they square off and start swinging glass bottles of salad dressing at each other.
 
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utvolpj said:
They aren't skills. It's not a job that requires unique skill

Picking boxes in a warehouse is not a skill. It's a necessary task but not a skill.

I will say your leaps in logic are fascinating. Refilling water isn't a skill so I must be a Biden supporter. Brilliant
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How about driving a forklift? Skill or nah?
 
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KB5252 said:
Yes, I am. I'm currently employed in a low skill position by choice, more time to be at home, less stress etc. I used to be in a very different position. Been on both sides of the fence. How you treat and deal with people in the workplace and who you choose to hire based on qualifications and demonstrated aptitudes are two very different things. There are perks and downsides to both.
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He can’t separate the two because he’s emotionally affected by status in society and feelz
 
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DonjoVol said:
Being a bookkeeper, AR clerk, or AP clerk does not require a 4 year degree. Many of those positions don't so they had to learn their craft somewhere.

I know for a fact that Arby's for example won't let anyone work the slicer unless they are 18. That actually might be a state law.

If they are really unskilled like you say then maybe you should get a job working part time at a restaurant for just a week and let us know how easy it is for you.

Actually I wouldn't want any of my buddies or family working for me. However I've seen this at companies before. I think it happens more than we realize.
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There’s a reason that a large amount of unskilled labor is staffed by teenagers, felons and retirees looking to make extra $ part time
 
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Vol423 said:
Are we really back to rehashing the chip that DonjoVol permanently keeps on his shoulder about how restaurant workers aren't appreciated? He seems to bring this up every few weeks. He continually wants to call every person a skilled worker even though they aren't. He then says that we don't value their work because we correctly state that they are unskilled workers.
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He once got stiffed from a tip by rich people and never got over it
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
There’s a reason that a large amount of unskilled labor is staffed by teenagers, felons and retirees looking to make extra $ part time
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You're nothing but a troll at this point. Guess you're still butthurt that you can't win arguments with your juvenile behavior. Go back to being VP of Fantasy Land for the rest of the night.

One last thing. Private companies cannot do whatever they want.
 
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