The Great Labor Force Debate

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ClearwaterVol said:
Surely, I can say good things came out of a bad situation. The American worker finding out they are more powerful than they realized is one. On a personal note, I got to spend lots of time with my fiance before she passed (unexpectedly) during lockdown. So, yeah good can be found in bad situations.
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That is tough. Sorry for you and the families.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You all have just pointed out a systematic problem. It isn't just one thing that is holding down wages.

But it does sound like you all agree that there is a problem. At least acknowledge that @DonjoVol is correct on the basic level that most of these people are underpaid. Whether you agree with his premise or not, you at least seem to be aware of the issue he's raising.
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He’s not pointing out anything new. Everyone understands that there are classes of people suffering due to economic factors. That’s the history of the world. It’s almost like saying death is a systemic problem
 
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hog88 said:
It's never used that I know of.
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Gotcha. It was back in the day with some cotton mills. I owned some trucks, had my commercial license and occasionally made a run just to keep up. There was a mill in Forsyth, Ga that required a parallel park to get to their dock...on a curved street no less!
 
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hog88 said:
It's never used that I know of.
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You'll find this amusing. A place I worked at in my 20s had a truck driver who could back a truck and trailer up into position faster than anyone I've ever seen. He was so cockeyed that it was unnerving to watch him because his face would be facing forward with just slight movement to either side as he backed up. And he'd brag that no one could do it better than him. We joked he could back a semi down I-75 as fast as most people drove forward.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Gotcha. It was back in the day with some cotton mills. I owned some trucks, had my commercial license and occasionally made a run just to keep up. There was a mill in Forsyth, Ga that required a parallel park to get to their dock...on a curved street no less!
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I'm sure there's probably a few places where it's still needed but very few I'd think. I could probably still do it with a 53'er but would need 10-15 pullups and getting out of the truck a dozen times.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm sure there's probably a few places where it's still needed but very few I'd think. I could probably still do it with a 53'er but would need 10-15 pullups and getting out of the truck a dozen times.
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GOAL
 
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TheDeeble said:
I'm not really rooting for anyone here. I asked last year where are all these people getting incomes from after they quit their jobs? Extra fed govt payouts, suspended student loan payments, and enhanced unemployment benefits due to Covid were introduced to the labor market. So there was a lot of supplemental income not previously available to assist all these people in quitting their jobs.

Would they have been so willing to quit their jobs without that extra govt money, suspended student loan payments, and enhanced unemployment benefit? I don't think it's a coincidence that people started quitting their jobs at pretty much the same time. Some of it is related to new found opportunity after Covid I'm sure. People quit and found an opportunity to work from home or do something independently instead.

But for the millions that didn't get a work from home job or start their own income stream, where did they get money from to pay bills, buy food, pay rent/mortgage ect if they weren't working for the past year or so.

Did it all happen because workers said enough is enough! Or was it because the fed govt made themselves a competitor for employers by offering abnormal govt benefits to employees choosing to stay home?
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Not all these people quit their jobs to go on unemployment. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from. I've explained what happened mostly in the restaurant industry. Many of them left to go to work in other industries. You can choose to believe it or not at this point.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Not all these people quit their jobs to go on unemployment. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from. I've explained what happened mostly in the restaurant industry. Many of them left to go to work in other industries. You can choose to believe it or not at this point.
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So the great resignation didn't happen after all? It was just a bunch of lateral moves?

All the openings in restaurant, retail, and customer service. Where the those people go when they quit?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You all have just pointed out a systematic problem. It isn't just one thing that is holding down wages.

But it does sound like you all agree that there is a problem. At least acknowledge that @DonjoVol is correct on the basic level that most of these people are underpaid. Whether you agree with his premise or not, you at least seem to be aware of the issue he's raising.
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I think some of these guys are just pissed because they have to pay a little bit more at Chik Fil A and McDonalds now.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I was talking about the restaurant industry. Learn to read.
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So then there was no employee shortage? The open positions just transitioned from one industry to a different one?

What industries had all these appealing jobs available that nobody was filling before?
 
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TheDeeble said:
So then there was no employee shortage? The open positions just transitioned from one industry to a different one?

What industries had all these appealing jobs that nobody was filling before?
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I was explaining to you what mostly happened in the restaurant industry. They left to go to other jobs that paid more. Not to go sit at home and collect a government check. I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to understand. Went to work in retail, manufacturing, work at home customer service, insurance, etc. I personally don't know anyone who sat at home and collected a check. Guess nobody in my circle is a lazy ass.
 
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TheDeeble said:
The entire restaurant industry? Or just the ones in your circle?
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Here in Tennessee that is largely what happened. Many went and got higher paying jobs elsewhere. It created a shortage. One reason is because those lazy ass people you are referring to didn't want to work in the restaurant industry. I mean who would want to work an unskilled job like that right?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A 10% raise is hard times... Damn, how much were you getting in the public sector?
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There was one place I worked that didn't give anyone a raise for almost the three years prior. Now they did give bonuses at least.

One woman I now said her daughter didn't get a raise for like 4 years. She worked out in Arizona. Don't know much of the details but it was some kind of administrative job. I guess when she went and asked for a raise they told her no and she quit. Which I don't blame her at that point. This was also a few years before the pandemic. There are employers out there that will take advantage of people.
 
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TheDeeble said:
So then there was no employee shortage? The open positions just transitioned from one industry to a different one?

What industries had all these appealing jobs available that nobody was filling before?
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From what I’m seeing everyone is looking for workers. Restaurants, retail, manufacturing, medical/nursing, and whatever else I left out.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Here in Tennessee that is largely what happened. Many went and got higher paying jobs elsewhere. It created a shortage. One reason is because those lazy ass people you are referring to didn't want to work in the restaurant industry. I mean who would want to work an unskilled job like that right?
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People must be zombies or have their heads in the clouds to not realize there has been labor issues in the restaurant industry.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
People must be zombies or have their heads in the clouds to not realize there has been labor issues in the restaurant industry.
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Oh it's been going on for a long time. I mean why would anyone want to work these "unskilled" jobs anyways at this point? Plus there are better jobs out there according to Ricky and crew.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Oh it's been going on for a long time. I mean why would anyone want to work these "unskilled" jobs anyways at this point? Plus there are better jobs out there according to Ricky and crew.
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The hard thing to get these people to understand is that for the most part (I'm excluding a bunch of these govt "make work" programs or private sector jobs created specifically to address govt regulations), we should understand by now that there are very few non-essential jobs in our economy.
 
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lukeneyland said:
You are hilarious. Not agreeing that all people are talented or skilled isn’t a very profound thought and it’s not Inherently disrespectful either.
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Maybe go grow your own garden and stop depending on others to help feed you. Let's see how that works out for you. Oh let me guess. I bet you are doing that already.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The hard thing to get these people to understand is that for the most part (I'm excluding a bunch of these govt "make work" programs or private sector jobs created specifically to address govt regulations), we should understand by now that there are very few non-essential jobs in our economy.
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I'll say one last thing as I really have a lot to do this evening. Many of these guys on here are stuck in their antiquated 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s mindset and refuse to change their way of thinking. But they are not the problem at all according to them. The people wanting higher wages are.

And for those people supporting Trump. He even said workers should be making more money. Even encouraged businesses to pay more. I bet Trump doesn't even think the way many of his supporters do.
 
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DonjoVol said:
There was one place I worked that didn't give anyone a raise for almost the three years prior. Now they did give bonuses at least.

One woman I now said her daughter didn't get a raise for like 4 years. She worked out in Arizona. Don't know much of the details but it was some kind of administrative job. I guess when she went and asked for a raise they told her no and she quit. Which I don't blame her at that point. This was also a few years before the pandemic. There are employers out there that will take advantage of people.
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I haven't had a raise in over 5 years.
 
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