The Green New Deal

#278
#278
AM64 said:
One of the worst consequences of TMI was that nuclear plant construction virtually stopped. I haven't kept up with new developments since I retired several years ago, but even then the thing with nuclear power was PLEX - plant life extension; nuclear plants were licensed for thirty years of operation, and many of ours are well past that now. Tests and analysis showed continued operation to be safe, and the plants have been maintained, updated, and allowed to continue operation. However, you have to realize that we have much better monitoring and control technology, and newer plants would probably be a better way to go, but public perception (misguided by the press and anti-nuclear groups) has pretty well halted what could be a better path. The media I hold in complete contempt, some naysayers are just as guilty, but many are simply mislead.

We could certainly do better with spent fuel. Jimmy Carter ended hopes of reprocessing, and long term permanent storage sites have been stymied. The spent fuel storage at Fukushima was a travesty. Storage in those buildings should never have been allowed - simply not enough protection, and completely unable to deal with the hydrogen gas buildup and explosion once the stored fuel was damaged.
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I believe that TVA is replacing reactors at Browns Ferry, is completing Watts Bar and has reopened Sequoia.
 
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60 years of generating a large portion of the electricity for our entire country making 60T isnt a problem IMO, all of that could be stored in a single concrete underground facility in any place in our country not heavily populated that isnt on a fault line or in a flood plain...preferably alabama, just on principle...and we could build 100 more just like it and an american citizen who didnt go looking for them would never lay eyes on 1 or pass within 50 miles of 1 without trying. To disagree with this is to not understand the scale of our country...having driven across it several times, i can tell you that there are farms big enough in the corn states to hold 2 or 3 of them, easy...there is a bunch of desert in the west that will likely never be inhabited by anyone...there are places in the dakotas that have nothing and are so cold in the winter that any human with good sense would never be there...even Montana, which is beautiful btw, has huge open stretches where no human has tread in lifetimes. Storing spent fuel rods isnt a problem except for people who for whatever reason oppose nuclear power even though it is the safest, cleanest, most efficient source of power we have. The real problem with electricity is the grid. Nearly half of it? I believe is wasted before being used by consumers due to the inefficiency of the conductors we use to carry it, and the distances it travels. That, is a big problem.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I believe that TVA is replacing reactors at Browns Ferry, is completing Watts Bar and has reopened Sequoia.
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The reactors a BFN were not replaced, WBN Unit 2 is finished and has been generating power for several years. SQN was never shut down, well not since the early 80’s. Both units at SQN and WBN Unit 1 replaced the steam generators. SQN Unit 1 SGR outage was first in 2003-4, Unit 2 was 2010-11.
 
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#285
marcusluvsvols said:
60 years of generating a large portion of the electricity for our entire country making 60T isnt a problem IMO, all of that could be stored in a single concrete underground facility in any place in our country not heavily populated that isnt on a fault line or in a flood plain...preferably alabama, just on principle...and we could build 100 more just like it and an american citizen who didnt go looking for them would never lay eyes on 1 or pass within 50 miles of 1 without trying. To disagree with this is to not understand the scale of our country...having driven across it several times, i can tell you that there are farms big enough in the corn states to hold 2 or 3 of them, easy...there is a bunch of desert in the west that will likely never be inhabited by anyone...there are places in the dakotas that have nothing and are so cold in the winter that any human with good sense would never be there...even Montana, which is beautiful btw, has huge open stretches where no human has tread in lifetimes. Storing spent fuel rods isnt a problem except for people who for whatever reason oppose nuclear power even though it is the safest, cleanest, most efficient source of power we have. The real problem with electricity is the grid. Nearly half of it? I believe is wasted before being used by consumers due to the inefficiency of the conductors we use to carry it, and the distances it travels. That, is a big problem.
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The problem is: no one wants it stored in their backyard. States don't want it (see Nevada), States don't even want it transported through their boundaries. Environmental regulations will only get tighter regarding radioactive material, so on site is where it sits and continues to be "stockpiled" until they run out of room. Then what?

It's funny how certain people believe science when it comes to climate but will not believe it when it comes to nuclear energy. . .
 
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37L1 said:
The problem is: no one wants it stored in their backyard. States don't want it (see Nevada), States don't even want it transported through their boundaries. Environmental regulations will only get tighter regarding radioactive material, so on site is where it sits and continues to be "stockpiled" until they run out of room. Then what?

It's funny how certain people believe science when it comes to climate but will not believe it when it comes to nuclear energy. . .
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Sounds more like the problem is misinformed public perception and excessive government regulation.

What science do proponents of nuclear energy not believe?
 
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#291
The waste can be stored safely on site, it can be transported safely, it can be stored safely offsite, it can be reprocessed safely. These aren't engineering problems, like the variability of solar and wind. These are political problems. A combination of fear and ignorance, sowed by journalists and activists, how are most likely funded by the oil and gas industry.

The two leads for this effort are AOC and Markey, one from a district that is shutting down Indian Point, a perfectly safe carbon free power source, and one who has spent his entire career as an anti-nuke, including birthing former NRC chairman Jackzo, who was a political plant that sunk Yucca Mountain, and created fear during the Fukushima tsunami.

I'm 100% sure that nuclear will not win in whatever deal comes from this. It's funny the best shot the US has of reducing emissions is actually from the Republican party. Replacing coal with gas, and maintaining the nuclear fleet, and starting to replace the existing, would be the best thing for emissions in this country. Not solar and wind.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Fun Fact the only people that will willing eat that crap votes Democrat. 🤣
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Just left the grocery store. A friend of mine, who’s a liberal, was in line behind me. He said “I ran out of tofu”. I thought he was making a joke because we talk politics a lot.

Turns out he had one small package of tofu in his hand.
 
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