The Green New Deal

#151
#151
AM64 said:
You know, of course, it takes a significant amount of energy to separate hydrogen to use as a fuel? You should also know that thermodynamically (there is no such thing as perfect conversion or perpetual motion) it takes more energy to produce hydrogen for fuel than is released when the hydrogen is used as a fuel? Hydrogen is clean, but you have to do something involving energy to produce it ... there is virtually no free hydrogen gas on earth.

Then there's the problem with storing hydrogen ... ever see pictures of the Hindenburg? It's pesky stuff being at the extreme left end of the periodic table, and being at the top means it's pretty hard to keep corralled, and that's a particularly bad combination in moving vehicles ... that sudden stopping thing when two objects meet.

Then for combustion there's the thing about byproducts ... unless you are using pure oxygen (which again takes energy to produce) and then it's just water. But if you are using hydrogen and air, there are going to be some gaseous byproducts. It's been over 50 years since I last took a chemistry course, so perhaps there's been some revisionism since then, and I'll admit I absolutely hated chemistry and have tried hard to erase it from memory, so I'm open to the thought that you could know something I don't, but these days a lot of people are making things sound a lot more possible than they are ... at least outside a lab.
Click to expand...

True. Even with the advances in hydrogen production, and there are quite a few, the problem of collection and storage is the biggest hurdle.

Hydrogen from electrolysis is virtually free when coupled with other green energies. It's more about the utility rather than the efficiency of its production.

I'm not saying it's ready pump into a tank in your car, but it's a viable renewable alternative to gas, even if we don't have the processes to make use of it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
#152
#152
Grand Vol said:
Methane as the fuel then.

Breed cows under a transparent dome, cows eat grass and other green plants that naturally scrub CO2 from the air, cows fart producing methane, trap the methane to use as fuel, eat cows to provide food for all.

You're welcome, AOC. I got this for you, sweetie!
Click to expand...

That's kinda what they are doing with landfills now. They cover them, at different stages with a gas barrier, and control output of the gas produced from decay. The gas is used for power generation.
 
#153
#153
Stew Cook said:
That's kinda what they are doing with landfills now. They cover them, at different stages with a gas barrier, and control output of the gas produced from decay. The gas is used for power generation.
Click to expand...

Or some just have stations that burn it off.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 82_VOL_83
#155
#155
Stew Cook said:
That's kinda what they are doing with landfills now. They cover them, at different stages with a gas barrier, and control output of the gas produced from decay. The gas is used for power generation.
Click to expand...

Yeah, but with my plan we get tasty cow out of it.

You're welcome.
 
#156
#156
Stew Cook said:
True. Even with the advances in hydrogen production, and there are quite a few, the problem of collection and storage is the biggest hurdle.

Hydrogen from electrolysis is virtually free when coupled with other green energies. It's more about the utility rather than the efficiency of its production.

I'm not saying it's ready pump into a tank in your car, but it's a viable renewable alternative to gas, even if we don't have the processes to make use of it.
Click to expand...

That's a lot like electric vehicles. Everyone ignores the fact that "pollution free" just means moving the pollution elsewhere and the transmission and conversion losses between the fuel used to generate electricity and power delivered to the wheels. I'd love to see some of those calculations as well as the ones justifying the pollution of gasoline with ethanol. As someone pointed out between the production of food and land needed for "renewable" energy sources, do even we have enough available land? The other issue similar to that of recharging an electric car is how you safely manage to refill a hydrogen powered car.
 
#157
#157
This plan she introduced and the Dems are signing off on ( knowing it will go knowhere so they are safe ) will it take longer than 12 years to complete ? Otherwise we might have a problem 🤔
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
#159
#159
Stew Cook said:
Well, pound for pound, I'll stick with cows, for now.

Sorry cows.
Click to expand...

You probably wouldn’t if you worked in a processing plant . I did for a year .. took me that long to eat hamburger again lol
That being said ... lay off my steaks 😊
 
  • Like
Reactions: Stew Cook
#160
#160
AM64 said:
That's a lot like electric vehicles. Everyone ignores the fact that "pollution free" just means moving the pollution elsewhere and the transmission and conversion losses between the fuel used to generate electricity and power delivered to the wheels. I'd love to see some of those calculations as well as the ones justifying the pollution of gasoline with ethanol. As someone pointed out between the production of food and land needed for "renewable" energy sources, do even we have enough available land? The other issue similar to that of recharging an electric car is how you safely manage to refill a hydrogen powered car.
Click to expand...

I'm not an engineer by any means, and I'm not tying these ideas to "The New Green Deal". I just believe, as alternatives go, this is the best direction we have, presently.

I hope and believe that improvements in efficiency will address the downsides.
 
#161
#161
0nelilreb said:
You probably wouldn’t if you worked in a processing plant . I did for a year .. took me that long to eat hamburger again lol
That being said ... lay off my steaks 😊
Click to expand...

Thanks man, now I need to get those images out of my head.

But, sorry, Reb.. It had to be the worst.
 
#162
#162
Stew Cook said:
Thanks man, now I need to get those images out of my head.

But, sorry, Reb.. It had to be the worst.
Click to expand...

It was , I was 20 then I think . Learned a lot about real life from it . Also , Mexican workers don’t have anything on Laotians workers . Never seen people work that fast before or since .
 
#163
#163
0nelilreb said:
It was , I was 20 then I think . Learned a lot about real life from it . Also , Mexican workers don’t have anything on Laotians workers . Never seen people work that fast before or since .
Click to expand...

Just keep your pets locked up.
 
#166
#166
lawgator1 said:
It's a silly question.

I support the reiteration of the point that man contributes to global warming and we ought to do something about it. I agree with the statement we ought to create millions of high paying jobs. I agree we ought to increase high speed rail.

I would bet 80 percent of the country agrees with that.
Click to expand...

So you’re saying in a scant 100 years fossil fuels and man have contributed to this pseudo science of global warming? Millions of high paying jobs have and are being created going back to the oil fields in the Dakota’s and Texas, your girls radical ideas will destroy our economy which is the plan anyhow, and as far as high speed rail goes how many times have you ridden on that abomination known as sunrail? I call BS, this and your party’s radical view on full term abortion will take you clowns outta the picture again in 2020. 73F9C28F-3C31-492D-AB11-9C65F659A57A.jpeg73F9C28F-3C31-492D-AB11-9C65F659A57A.jpeg
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64 and CagleMtnVol
#169
#169
Stew Cook said:
You know.. It's a glass 1/100th full type thing. This thread will have no shortage of criticism. Call me Mr. Brightside.

I'll have to dig a little deeper into this when I have the time, but really, it's not likely to go very far, as is.
Click to expand...

Liked simply for "mr. Brightside". Cool song
 
  • Like
Reactions: Stew Cook
#173
#173
I can see it now. I can’t sell your house until you replace those windows, and it’s gonna cost you $5k-$8 additional to your closing cost you have to pay.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
#175
#175
FLVOL69 said:
So you’re saying in a scant 100 years fossil fuels and man have contributed to this pseudo science of global warming? Millions of high paying jobs have and are being created going back to the oil fields in the Dakota’s and Texas, your girls radical ideas will destroy our economy which is the plan anyhow, and as far as high speed rail goes how many times have you ridden on that abomination known as sunrail? I call BS, this and your party’s radical view on full term abortion will take you clowns outta the picture again in 2020. View attachment 193435View attachment 193435
Click to expand...


AOC needs to ride a greyhound from Cali to DC one time.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top