The "Gruden-Gate" Cover-Up (Long)

[deckerkd]

This is insane speculation. Assumptions make you know what out of you and me. If a reporter broke this news with evidence he would be up for a promotion and a raise, that's their job. To assume they know and just reserve the biggest story in Tenmesse sports is also an insane assumption. So C'MON MAN

 

[TNHopeful505]

This is insane speculation. Assumptions make you know what out of you and me. If a reporter broke this news with evidence he would be up for a promotion and a raise, that's their job. To assume they know and just reserve the biggest story in Tenmesse sports is also an insane assumption. So C'MON MAN

It is an assumption, yeah, you're right. I mean, they may truly not know anything. Or they might.

But I'm saying IF they knew with the danger of ruining their paper's reputation with the University of Tennessee Athletics department, they might not report the story. I know it's assumption. And I know you may not ever find out the truth.

But it's a possibility.

 

[State of the Vols]

I honestly now
believe that this may be the biggest cover up in the
history of UT Sports.

Folks, listen very clearly. You cannot trust the
media on this.

Think about it:

If Brent Hubbs (For example), saw a picture of Dave
Hart and Jon Gruden standing together over a
contract and saw the signatures, and heard an audio
clip of Jon saying "I'm excited to be the next Head
Coach of Tennessee," but Dave Hart said "Brent, I
want you to keep this under wraps until
___________."

Does anyone honestly think he would break it?

Does anyone honestly think he would throw away his
career by breaking something that isn't supposed to
be broken yet?

As soon as (Hubbs) breaks that story, UT would
expel him from reporting on UT again. No
practices, no game coverage, no interviews.
(Hubbs) and the company he works for would be in
deep stuff. He would probably lose his job. His
company would probably be in trouble without being
able to cover the Vols.

Jon Gruden is receiving buyout money from Tampa
Bay and a contract with ESPN. He CANNOT be hired
by another job yet, for risk of ruining those things,
as well as hurting our reputation and his. THAT is
why this has not been broken yet, it seems.
Smokescreens are being put out to allow things to
simmer more. Do you not notice every time it
seems things are coming to a point, we hit a "snag"
or "something is happening?" It's only to be able to
get closer to the date we need. We will interview
other candidates to prolong this. We are working on
Jon's timetable to make sure he gets all of his
affairs in order.


So....... you are suggesting that Gruden and Hart have committed fraud in an effort to enable Gruden to continue to receive compensation from both ESPN and the Bucs after signing the contract with UT??? Yeah, right, makes sense to me. :crazy:

 

[ellivhsaN]

IMHO; Too much conspiracy, with too many participants, and moving parts to be anywhere close to real. Interest was gauged, some initial information exchanged, and there's been one called off face to face meeting. No conspiracy or no done deal cover up. Even that much requires a few assumptions.

 

[Smokeyshowl66]

IMHO; Too much conspiracy, with too many participants, and moving parts to be anywhere close to real. Interest was gauged, some initial information exchanged, and there's been one called off face to face meeting. No conspiracy or no done deal cover up. Even that much requires a few assumptions.

So who told you the meeting was called off? Oh right, media. :banghead2:

 

[joevol33]

If you're looking for "any real evidence" you won't find any until someone is standing at a presser. I don't have any, and neither does anyone on this board. And even if they did, those who are skeptical won't believe them. But I do believe there are people that know what's going on. In a search of this magnitude, there has to be. And no, I don't believe everything I hear, and no, I don't credit everything as a sign, like your ignorant post is suggesting.

But i've followed this VERY closely, and I've seen just about every tweet, heard every "insiders" statement, heard just about everything that has come up, and I am just putting together a list of assumptions of things that may be.

As I've said, if I'm wrong, I will freely admit it, and just say that I was wrong and I won't be the only one. But I have seen enough on this site and others to know that something is just not right, and I'm simply proposing a "what if" scenario that I think might be going on.

No need to make fun if you don't agree. My posts are a lot more researched than some others on here.

I'm not making fun, I have seen alot of message's and tweet's and people on here swearing one minute gruden has a car rented at hertz, to he's at the lady vol's game, when he's actually in florida. I wish he were the next coach, but just don't see any hint from him or ut that makes me believe it. Like u said, guess we'll see at the presser

 

[joevol33]

I honestly now
believe that this may be the biggest cover up in the
history of UT Sports.

Folks, listen very clearly. You cannot trust the
media on this.

Think about it:

If Brent Hubbs (For example), saw a picture of Dave
Hart and Jon Gruden standing together over a
contract and saw the signatures, and heard an audio
clip of Jon saying "I'm excited to be the next Head
Coach of Tennessee," but Dave Hart said "Brent, I
want you to keep this under wraps until
___________."

Does anyone honestly think he would break it?

Does anyone honestly think he would throw away his
career by breaking something that isn't supposed to
be broken yet?

As soon as (Hubbs) breaks that story, UT would
expel him from reporting on UT again. No
practices, no game coverage, no interviews.
(Hubbs) and the company he works for would be in
deep stuff. He would probably lose his job. His
company would probably be in trouble without being
able to cover the Vols.

Jon Gruden is receiving buyout money from Tampa
Bay and a contract with ESPN. He CANNOT be hired
by another job yet, for risk of ruining those things,
as well as hurting our reputation and his. THAT is
why this has not been broken yet, it seems.
Smokescreens are being put out to allow things to
simmer more. Do you not notice every time it
seems things are coming to a point, we hit a "snag"
or "something is happening?" It's only to be able to
get closer to the date we need. We will interview
other candidates to prolong this. We are working on
Jon's timetable to make sure he gets all of his
affairs in order.


So....... you are suggesting that Gruden and Hart have committed fraud in an effort to enable Gruden to continue to receive compensation from both ESPN and the Bucs after signing the contract with UT??? Yeah, right, makes sense to me. :crazy:

It doe's not matter if tampa is paying him, they fired him he can coach anywhere and that changes nothing with what they owe him for firing him. aka fulmer, dooley, not to mention bunche's of other's from the nfl, and ncaa

 

[hillarious_vol]

What if the OP is right? I said the other day to my buddy that if this whole Gruden thing is a smoke screen, AD Hart needs to run for President, b/c he can maipulate a coaching change and keep it from the base better, much better than Obama can cover Bengazhi

 

[TNHopeful505]

Look at Lipers post in the Cliff Notes, and then refer to my OP. Just saying. I'm not the only crazy person out there.

 

[TNHopeful505]

I'm going to keep bumping this. Because I believe we're coming to the height of the smokescreens....now all of a sudden he decides he's not interested in college football coaching?

Please people. You call me crazy, but you're believing as many negative things that are out there as I am positive!

Both those who believe and those who don't are acting on blind faith. We're all just putting together the "evidence" differently.

But I ain't giving up this whole thing that this is a big coverup and that the media is being fed and creating smokescreens to cover up this whole process.

FYI, Saban "denied" and smokescreened things for 5 weeks before he became the coach at Alabama. This is not unprecedented. This is what a big hire looks like.

 

[dsimplified]

It doe's not matter if tampa is paying him, they fired him he can coach anywhere and that changes nothing with what they owe him for firing him. aka fulmer, dooley, not to mention bunche's of other's from the nfl, and ncaa

I think it all depends on the contract that was signed. Some of them have offset clauses.

 

[joevol33]

Maybe that's it with tampa? I'm by far no expert, just haven't never seen that. Hope there is something, I just get all hyped up with these 'tomorrow' stories and nothing happen's

 

[TNHopeful505]

Maybe that's it with tampa? I'm by far no expert, just haven't never seen that. Hope there is something, I just get all hyped up with these 'tomorrow' stories and nothing happen's

I hear you. But I've read for a while now that the 1st of December could be a huge day. This isn't just something today. I think there's a big possibility that something could happen tomorrow or by the end of the weekend.

If not, we won't hear anything until the middle of the month is my guess.

 

[BrentwoodVFL]

So tnhopeful was onto something after all... Nice job bruh

 

[TNHopeful505]

So tnhopeful was onto something after all... Nice job bruh

Bump.

It's like the Gruden hokey pokey.

"You say that Jon's all in, you say that Jon's all out...."

The only way you're going to fully convince me is against a Tennessee and Verizon Wireless backdrop.

 

[TNHopeful505]

Nope. I'm still smokescreening. Hubbs needs to put a name on that source to get it to be believable. People in the AD aren't in the know on this one.

I am not even hearing Skeeter 33418 on this one.

 

[VFL13]

I am now joining info only on the Gruden-gate scandal of Tennessee. I truly believe he is our coach he just has other priorities that need to be addressed. Until I see another coach walk across that stage I'm not buying all the media bull. The guy is still getting paid by the buccaneers and espn MNF. I'm with crazy dr B here. I think he's coming. Just had other things to address. I mean think about it his name recruits itself. If this goes into the dead period and we still don't have a coach then it's Gruden. Gives him all the time he needs to pick from the litter to blow up signing day. I'm still hopeful. Or delusional. Guess we will see ladies. VFL

 

[TNHopeful505]

I am now joining info only on the Gruden-gate scandal of Tennessee. I truly believe he is our coach he just has other priorities that need to be addressed. Until I see another coach walk across that stage I'm not buying all the media bull. The guy is still getting paid by the buccaneers and espn MNF. I'm with crazy dr B here. I think he's coming. Just had other things to address. I mean think about it his name recruits itself. If this goes into the dead period and we still don't have a coach then it's Gruden. Gives him all the time he needs to pick from the litter to blow up signing day. I'm still hopeful. Or delusional. Guess we will see ladies. VFL

I'm still holding on to Gruden Gate. Even if Dave Hart comes out and says anything. Gruden has to make things work on his time. Therefore, everything is a ploy until then.

 

[TNHopeful505]

Isn't this what is supposed to happen according to OG's?

The deal is supposed to look dead and over with around this time....

And then Dave Hart sweeps in and saves the day?


I mean, if they were going to kill the rumors in an effort to cover up, then they had to do something on a major scale.

But the fact still is that Dave Hart himself has not came out and said anything, and I haven't seen a direct quote from Gruden either.

I am just still thinking this is a smokescreen still. Especially if they expect this thing to last all the way to the 15th. In coaching search time, that's years. They need something major to come and quieten the masses.

Maybe Hubbs left his quote anonymous for a reason. Maybe it was fed to him to put out to quiet the Grudenites.

Once again...just speculating. But until someone notable who has a clue (Hart/Gruden) comes out and denies it, I'm still crying shenanigans.

 

[BrentwoodVFL]

I posted this on the Gruden thread. If Hyams is the root source of this breaking news, then I don't believe it. Hyams lost his insider status with UT when he sucker punched Hamilton over Pearl while the Vols were on their way to play Michigan in the NCAA's.

All the viral news reports I'm seeing about this are referencing the report from Hyams. Is there another credible source completely unconnected to Hyams who is saying they have this as fact also? If not, I believe this is still very much in play.

 

[BrentwoodVFL]

Furthermore (while I'm burning Hyams at the stake...), I believe Hyams is unhappy about being shut out by the key people at UT, so it is in his own best interest to create the rumor that Gruden isn't coming.

He is trying to make himself a relevant source of insider info, when in reality he is no longer a UT insider.

 

[TNHopeful505]

Like someone posted in the main thread.

1. Hyams - No offer
2. Rucker - Didn't want college game
3. Hubbs - Mix of both
4. Hargis - Has offer, assistant hangup
5. Low - Copying Hyams.

These guys are not idiots (well, except for Rucker). How is it they all have good information normally that matches up, except for now?

If you can't smell the fish in this, you need to get out of Taco Bell.

 

[VFL13]

Dude the Knoxville media is a joke. If and when Gruden gets here he needs to ban all those dumb people. It kills me how negative the media is in Knoxville about the main school there covering. It's just dumb and embarrassing. That's why I'm glad I live in chattanooga bc the TFP is very orange tinted at times. But the fact that Knoxville media only wants to report huge things in a negative way is embarrassing to our state and us as fans. They make the fans, the ones who buy those dang tickets that sell that place out, look like inbred jackasses to the entire nation and I'm fed up with it. If I'm Gruden they would all be banned except for the ones who cast a positive light on our school and our coach. These recruits laugh at us fans bc of how passionate we are. How crazy we get. There isn't a fan base like the ones who bleed orange. But these recruits do read all these negative story's these horrible writers write and to me it's embarrassing and I hope these recruits come to volnation and enjoy the process whether they end up here or not. I'm ready for the middle of December so if and when CJG is announced we can burn hyams and any other bad writer into the ground and ruin there career.

 

[Lulu]

Isn't this what is supposed to happen according to OG's?

The deal is supposed to look dead and over with around this time....

And then Dave Hart sweeps in and saves the day?


I mean, if they were going to kill the rumors in an effort to cover up, then they had to do something on a major scale.

But the fact still is that Dave Hart himself has not came out and said anything, and I haven't seen a direct quote from Gruden either.

I am just still thinking this is a smokescreen still. Especially if they expect this thing to last all the way to the 15th. In coaching search time, that's years. They need something major to come and quieten the masses.

Maybe Hubbs left his quote anonymous for a reason. Maybe it was fed to him to put out to quiet the Grudenites.

Once again...just speculating. But until someone notable who has a clue (Hart/Gruden) comes out and denies it, I'm still crying shenanigans.

According to Hargis, Dave Hart "sunk the deal". How does that fit into your theory?

 

[DeusExMachina]

... (myknoxnews@knoxnews.com -) Ex-NFL coach Jon Gruden tells Tennessee no thanks on head coaching job. m.knoxnews.com TXT STOP to opt-out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5AScLyy3IM&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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