The Heisman race is really just beginning

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tclowers23 said:
I'm just saying... if you're expecting people to forget about Peyton Manning, you're in for a letdown. Plain and simple...
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I never expected UT fans to immortalize him in the first place...So, yes, I probably am in for a let down. I guess Pitt hangs on to Dan Marino, too.
 
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therealUT said:
What let down? Peyton was the UT QB who let fans down every year...then kept Tee from taking over for another year by not entering the 1996 NFL Draft.
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i know you're being serious...but it still makes me laugh.:lolabove:

Yep, i felt down year after 10 win year...and that SEC championship sucked out loud. And who could forget that win over a top 5 Ohio St. in a bowl game where we finished 2nd in the nation...i still can't stand the fact he came back for his senior season. If he wouldn't have come back, we wouldn't have won the SEC or played in a National Title game. Man that sucked. I'm with you!!!!!:crazy:
 
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jakez4ut said:
i know you're being serious...but it still makes me laugh.:lolabove:

Yep, i felt down year after 10 win year...and that SEC championship sucked out loud. And who could forget that win over a top 5 Ohio St. in a bowl game where we finished 2nd in the nation...i still can't stand the fact he came back for his senior season. If he wouldn't have come back, we wouldn't have won the SEC or played in a National Title game. Man that sucked. I'm with you!!!!!:crazy:
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How do you figure? Tee Martin was more than capable in leading that same exact 1997 team to a National Title in 1998.
 
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I think Peyton has proven that he's a more talented QB than Tee Martin in the past 10 years.
 
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therealUT said:
How do you figure? Tee Martin was more than capable in leading that same exact 1997 team to a National Title in 1998.
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i figure that by TN beating Auburn in the SEC title game to win the SEC, and that TN played Nebraska in the Pre BCS, formerly known as Bowl Coalition National title game. Now, i don't know that TN would have won the National Title in the polls since Michigan won their game, but since at the time, the Pac 10 and Big 10 still played in the Rose Bowl, and we played in the Orange bowl, against the eventual CoNational Champion, it was a defacto National Championship game....but, before it's even brought up, in the technical sense, no, it wasn't a national championship game...but the winner did win it, or at least part of it.
And as for what Tee may have done in 97 based on what happened in 98...pure speculation and conjecture.

either way, your entitled to your opinion...it don't bother me none...just being the other side of the arguement here.:p
 
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tclowers23 said:
I think Peyton has proven that he's a more talented QB than Tee Martin in the past 10 years.
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Ryan Leaf was a more talented QB than Joe Montana and Tom Brady. I am concerned with results, not talent.

Nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent.
Calvin Coolidge

Motivation will always beat mere talent

Talent is cheaper than table salt
Stephen King
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Okay... let me rephrase myself...

I think Peyton has proven he gets better RESULTS than Tee Martin over the past 10 years.
 
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tclowers23 said:
Okay... let me rephrase myself...

I think Peyton has proven he gets better RESULTS than Tee Martin over the past 10 years.
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Depends upon how you define success and then how you control your comparison. I define success by national championships, and I believe strongly that Ainge will bring one to UT next season.

A controlled comparison is very easy to make between Tee and Peyton, since they had almost an identical surrounding cast. Tee won a national championship, Peyton did not.
 
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As for Ainge.....

I will say this. His size, posture, mechanics, and presence in the pocket, tend to make one want to swear that he's an Eli Manning clone back there.
He keeps that up, anything's possible....
 
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therealUT said:
Depends upon how you define success and then how you control your comparison. I define success by national championships, and I believe strongly that Ainge will bring one to UT next season.

A controlled comparison is very easy to make between Tee and Peyton, since they had almost an identical surrounding cast. Tee won a national championship, Peyton did not.
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Okay, so I suppose we're throwing away any RESULTS after college? Yeah, I guess so... because that's the only way you have an arguement.
 
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tclowers23 said:
Okay, so I suppose we're throwing away any RESULTS after college? Yeah, I guess so... because that's the only way you have an arguement.
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Yes we are throwing away any results after college. Why is what Manning does while he is not a Vol have anything to do with his legacy as a UT QB?
 
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tclowers23 said:
Okay... you win. I just totally forgot about Peyton Manning. That dude sucks! Tee Martin was soooo much better. Thanks for opening my eyes. :good!:
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Ok then, you are right, it is only about stats. Timmy Chang is the greatest quarterback to ever play college football and Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback to ever play in the NFL. Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Bart Starr, and Tom Brady are not as great as Peyton Manning.
 
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Yep, all Peyton does is get stats... he doesn't win games. Just because he hasn't won a Championship doesn't mean he hasn't won games. He's won PLENTY of games... Check the Vols records when he played at UT... check the Colts records the last 5 or 6 years. Peyton Manning wins games... and he will win a Super Bowl before he retires. Don't kid yourself....
 
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therealUT said:
Ok then, you are right, it is only about stats. Timmy Chang is the greatest quarterback to ever play college football and Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback to ever play in the NFL. Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Bart Starr, and Tom Brady are not as great as Peyton Manning.
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those are your words...

but what it is about Peytong that he didn't do? I know he didn't win a national championship, but a lot of qb's don't....he did win the SEC, and we were a top 5-10 fixture while he was here...i don't think that's a lot to sneeze at here...

i hate these debates...i keep getting sucked in...
 
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Because this debate is absurd... Peyton Manning is one of the all time greats at Tennessee... and he will be remembered. He has his flippin jersey retired for cryin out loud. therealUT can't accept this....
 
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tclowers23 said:
Because this debate is absurd... Peyton Manning is one of the all time greats at Tennessee... and he will be remembered. He has his flippin jersey retired for cryin out loud. therealUT can't accept this....
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Can't and won't accept this until Tee Martin's jersey is retired. Teams and school should praise their champions first and foremost.
 
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Ken Dorsey was a Champion at Miami... should his jersey be retired? And Craig Krenzel at Ohio State?
 
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tclowers23 said:
Because this debate is absurd... Peyton Manning is one of the all time greats at Tennessee... and he will be remembered. He has his flippin jersey retired for cryin out loud. therealUT can't accept this....
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no, i hate it because there are to many opinions on what qualifies as a great qb to too many people...stats don't matter, championships do, stats do matter, not everyone is on a team that is capable of winning a championship...

it's the classic one person makes or breaks the team concept, when talking about championships.

in the case of tom brady...he's a great qb, and i would think so w/out the championships...but he has 3, which can't be ignored, and does imo given him the edge over Peyton. Now Peyton though, may be the best at the position and the stats are proof of that...what keeps him from being "great" is that he hasn't won the championship. And the difference between the two can be seen in one area: Defense. The patriots had a SB capable defense, and the Colts have yet to put one on the feild.

But championships can't be the only thing, otherwise Trent Dilfer has to be on the list of great QB's, and no one was under the impression that he led that team to the SB...it was Ray Lewis...and that's evidenced by the fact that Ray is still there and Trent is asking "would you like fries with that?".

it's in the eye of the beholder. But people act like Peyton hasn't ever done anything at all...and he does in fact have an SEC championship...which i think gets overlooked somewhat.
 
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:post-4-1090547912: In response to Ken Dorsey and Craig Krenzel's jerseys being retired.
 
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