The Hunter Biden Thread

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OrangeTsar said:
To me, the dividing line was whether or not someone was trying to force their way into the building in an obviously illegal way. If you are breaking windows or doors or assaulted an officer, you know you are doing something wrong. If you follow a crowd through an opened door into the building, you may be not very smart; but you aren’t a criminal, at least not a felon by any stretch. IMHO.
But that is why one of my own rules is to stay away from demonstrations. Way too easy to get swept along by a crowd into a situation where you shouldn’t be.
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Listening to the congressional testimonies has been a wild ride. Apparently there was a fed there instigating. They have him on video. They jailed lots of Trump supporters, but can't speak as to why this nimrod hasn't been jailed.

Nancy sent the police home and undermanned the day. They removed fences and replaced them with bicycle lock stands. It's crazy! It's almost like they were willing it to happen.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And he is not immune to future charges for crimes committed after the pardon. So for example, if called before a congressional committee to testify under oath, he would be subject to perjury charges if he lies, or contempt of Congress if he refuses the subpoena.
And since the pardon makes him immune from self incrimination as there is no longer a danger of that, he cannot claim the fifth Amendment to avoid answering any questions under oath.
This whole drama might just be getting started folks
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Hope ole boy is caught up on the child support in Arkansas
 
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volfanhill said:
I think it would depend on how the word "increminate" is defined. Just bc I can't be held accountable by the courts doesn't mean I can't increminate myself by my own testimony.
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The way I understand it is that if you are immune from prosecution (like from a pardon), you are in no legal jeopardy for the crime(s) in question; so it is impossible to incriminate yourself under those conditions
 
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GVF said:
If all that can legally play out, the big guy may have not thought that pardon through.
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You realize that using the words “thought” and the “big guy” together constitutes a clear inherent contradiction, right?
 
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Hypothetically, what if the cocaine in the WH was his after Trump investigated. Just hypothetically speaking of course, would he be pardoned for that?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
06 Jan is an interesting case that isn’t as cut and dried as either side tries to paint it. There were many people who went to the Capitol with bad intentions. These people who assaulted people and damaged properties should serve their full sentences and receive no pardons. We don’t want hooligans and I am sure the liberals don’t either (Antifa and the Hamas fans excluded of course). But that ere are a large number of people who just went to DC that day to show their support for Trump who were legally standing near the Capitol when they saw Capitol Hill Police Open the doors and allowing people in. Any reasonable person would have assumed that they were being legally allowed in.
These people should maybe get a fine or community service; but they shouldn’t be sitting in a jail cell for mere trespass, especially if they were not informed of being trespassers.
Some would conceivably see that as a clear case of entrapment.
Thoughts from you as a practiting attorney?
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OrangeTsar said:
06 Jan is an interesting case that isn’t as cut and dried as either side tries to paint it. There were many people who went to the Capitol with bad intentions. These people who assaulted people and damaged properties should serve their full sentences and receive no pardons. We don’t want hooligans and I am sure the liberals don’t either (Antifa and the Hamas fans excluded of course). But that ere are a large number of people who just went to DC that day to show their support for Trump who were legally standing near the Capitol when they saw Capitol Hill Police Open the doors and allowing people in. Any reasonable person would have assumed that they were being legally allowed in.
These people should maybe get a fine or community service; but they shouldn’t be sitting in a jail cell for mere trespass, especially if they were not informed of being trespassers.
Some would conceivably see that as a clear case of entrapment.
Thoughts from you as a practiting attorney?
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The devil is in the details in terms of distinguishing between the defendants on how bad is too bad to be pardoned. I just don't see Trump drawing such a distinction because he'd then be viewed as abandoning people who were willing to do what they did on his behalf.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
The way I understand it is that if you are immune from prosecution (like from a pardon), you are in no legal jeopardy for the crime(s) in question; so it is impossible to incriminate yourself under those conditions
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Daddy’s pardon will not shield him from the States. That’s what they’ll hide behind.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Chances the coke at the White House wasn’t his???

I’m gonna say pretty damn low. I’m sure lots of people doing blow at the WH. I just think he’s the only one careless enough to leave it lying around.
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Everyone knows Don Jr is the one with the coke problem
 
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volfanhill said:
He's got a free pass for any and all federal crimes, that are known or unknown, from 2014 until yesterday
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Which is why they're going back to 2008 when Obama,Joe and Hilary were partners in crime, and let's not forget Holder's fast and furious fiasco he was held in contempt of congress if memory serves me.The best is yet to come 😂
 
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