The Hunter Biden Thread

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So if some Red state AG decides to bring State charges against Hunter for something on that laptop.

I assume the AG or DA will be acting 100% independently of the White House & DOJ?

And any accusation otherwise will be an assault on our Justice system?
 
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85SugarVol said:
So if some Red state AG decides to bring State charges against Hunter for something on that laptop.

I assume the AG or DA will be acting 100% independently of the White House & DOJ?

And any accusation otherwise will be an assault on our Justice system?
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Unless someone does a "career move" from the DOJ to a state office like Colangelo did.
 
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Several opinions I am seeing today are claiming that Hunter could now no longer plead the fifth if called to testify before Congress for an investigation of the Big Guy or other family members. Talk about a possible “own goal” 😳
 
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hog88 said:
Plus he could potentially open himself up to charges at the state level.
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And he is not immune to future charges for crimes committed after the pardon. So for example, if called before a congressional committee to testify under oath, he would be subject to perjury charges if he lies, or contempt of Congress if he refuses the subpoena.
And since the pardon makes him immune from self incrimination as there is no longer a danger of that, he cannot claim the fifth Amendment to avoid answering any questions under oath.
This whole drama might just be getting started folks
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Hunter didnt file his taxes and fraudulently filed them when he did. At those dollar amounts and sophisication, you go to jail....

2/3 go to jail if you fraudulently lie or evade. Hunter did both. With business sophistication. Over multiple years...
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But Trump is literally Hitler.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And he is not immune to future charges for crimes committed after the pardon. So for example, if called before a congressional committee to testify under oath, he would be subject to perjury charges if he lies, or contempt of Congress if he refuses the subpoena.
And since the pardon makes him immune from self incrimination as there is no longer a danger of that, he cannot claim the fifth Amendment to avoid answering any questions under oath.
This whole drama might just be getting started folks
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If all that can legally play out, the big guy may have not thought that pardon through.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Several opinions I am seeing today are claiming that Hunter could now no longer plead the fifth if called to testify before Congress for an investigation of the Big Guy or other family members. Talk about a possible “own goal” 😳
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I would let you know my own opinion on that, Tsar, but unfortunately...

I can't recall at this time.

I have no recollection.

I don't remember.

That was a long time ago, and I was a substance abuser at that time. It must have affected my memory.

Is there anything else I can help you with?
 
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utvolpj said:
In what? That I don't see abuse of power when it's something listed in the roles and responsibilities of the job?

Every 4-8yrs a bunch of influential criminals get their crimes pardoned. Does that surprise you?
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an abuse of power doesn't mean that he doesn't have the power.

the abuse of power is using the power in a manner that either goes against the intent, or benefits the abuser. the second is the issue here.
 
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utvolpj said:
Which potus has never issued a pardon that didn't benefit them in some way?
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"in some way"?

mighty broad brush you are painting with there. all abuse isn't the same. stop with the extremes.

depending on where you fall on the conspiracy angle, Joe himself was tied up in those crimes from 2014 to 2024. No president has pardoned a child. I don't think any president has pardoned someone of a crime said president may have a toe in.

this would be like Nixon pardoning the participants of watergate before they went to trial and before he stepped down. yeah nothings been proven, and now nothing can be proven, but everyone knows it stinks to high heaven.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If Trump pardons people that stormed the Capitol on 1/6 to try to help him in stay in power, will you be pointing to the same conflict of interest?
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06 Jan is an interesting case that isn’t as cut and dried as either side tries to paint it. There were many people who went to the Capitol with bad intentions. These people who assaulted people and damaged properties should serve their full sentences and receive no pardons. We don’t want hooligans and I am sure the liberals don’t either (Antifa and the Hamas fans excluded of course). But that ere are a large number of people who just went to DC that day to show their support for Trump who were legally standing near the Capitol when they saw Capitol Hill Police Open the doors and allowing people in. Any reasonable person would have assumed that they were being legally allowed in.
These people should maybe get a fine or community service; but they shouldn’t be sitting in a jail cell for mere trespass, especially if they were not informed of being trespassers.
Some would conceivably see that as a clear case of entrapment.
Thoughts from you as a practiting attorney?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
This does not preclude him being called as a witness in trials of others (including the Big Guy) right?
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That was my take as well. Since Hunter now has total immunity for all prior crimes during that period, I'm pretty sure that eliminates his ability to plead the 5th. That means that Joe and the rest of the Biden crime syndicate are now vulnerable to prosecution.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
06 Jan is an interesting case that isn’t as cut and dried as either side tries to paint it. There were many people who went to the Capitol with bad intentions. These people who assaulted people and damaged properties should serve their full sentences and receive no pardons. We don’t want hooligans and I am sure the liberals don’t either (Antifa and the Hamas fans excluded of course). But that ere are a large number of people who just went to DC that day to show their support for Trump who were legally standing near the Capitol when they saw Capitol Hill Police Open the doors and allowing people in. Any reasonable person would have assumed that they were being legally allowed in.
These people should maybe get a fine or community service; but they shouldn’t be sitting in a jail cell for mere trespass, especially if they were not informed of being trespassers.
Some would conceivably see that as a clear case of entrapment.
Thoughts from you as a practiting attorney?
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I also listened to a former Secret Service officer describe the scene, and describe that the Capital Police used flash bombs and tear gas in the wrong way. Generally, he said, those are used to herd mobs. You throw the flash bang and/or tear gas in a location that will push people where you want them to go. He says it's human nature to try to escape those things. But he said that the capitol police threw them in such a way that they actually herded the people into the (supposed) restricted zones. It was an intersting interview.
 
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Vol423 said:
That was my take as well. Since Hunter now has total immunity for all prior crimes during that period, I pretty sure that eliminates his ability to plead the 5th. That means that Joe and the rest of the Biden crime syndicate are now vulnerable to prosecution.
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Yup. Matter of fact, he could be brought forward to a sitting grand jury and told to spill the beans on the person that pardon him. The issue isn't information though, DOJ has the evidence to indict Obama, Biden and Clinton anytime they want or a future AG wants.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I also listened to a former Secret Service officer describe the scene, and describe that the Capital Police used flash bombs and tear gas in the wrong way. Generally, he said, those are used to herd mobs. You throw the flash bang and/or tear gas in a location that will push people where you want them to go. He says it's human nature to try to escape those things. But he said that the capitol police threw them in such a way that they actually herded the people into the (supposed) restricted zones. It was an intersting interview.
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To me, the dividing line was whether or not someone was trying to force their way into the building in an obviously illegal way. If you are breaking windows or doors or assaulted an officer, you know you are doing something wrong. If you follow a crowd through an opened door into the building, you may be not very smart; but you aren’t a criminal, at least not a felon by any stretch. IMHO.
But that is why one of my own rules is to stay away from demonstrations. Way too easy to get swept along by a crowd into a situation where you shouldn’t be.
 
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