The Impeachment Thread

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evillawyer said:
Did you read the NY Times piece? Here's the factual description the story presents.

The C.I.A. officer approached a House Intelligence Committee aide with his concerns about Mr. Trump only after he had had a colleague first convey them to the C.I.A.’s top lawyer. Concerned about how that initial avenue for airing his allegations through the C.I.A. was unfolding, the officer then approached the House aide. In both cases, the original accusation was vague.
The House staff member, following the committee’s procedures, suggested the officer find a lawyer to advise him and meet with an inspector general, with whom he could file a whistle-blower complaint. The aide shared some of what the officer conveyed to Mr. Schiff. The aide did not share the whistle-blower’s identity with Mr. Schiff, an official said.
“Like other whistle-blowers have done before and since under Republican and Democratic-controlled committees, the whistle-blower contacted the committee for guidance on how to report possible wrongdoing within the jurisdiction of the intelligence community,” said Patrick Boland, a spokesman for Mr. Schiff.
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That brings up a few different questions then. For starters how did a CIA officer have the transcript of Trump's phone call. Does this mean that the CIA is spying on US citizens on US soil despite their charter not to do so.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Is this a happy little camper...............he's a POS.........period.

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As opposed to the bundle of laughs that Trump was in that press conference today? He was unfocused and hostile and ultimately, he didn't even answer the question. "What did you want the Ukrainian President to do with Joe Biden?"
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
As opposed to the bundle of laughs that Trump was in that press conference today? He was unfocused and hostile and ultimately, he didn't even answer the question. "What did you want the Ukrainian President to do with Joe Biden?"
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I guess if you were President going through all this BS you would have handled it better. I don't think you would be all lovie dovie and sending out kisses & kudos to those hating false accusers. Your TDS is showing too strong again today hater.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm not sure how much speculation there needs to be. Pelosi admitted to seeing the complaint in advance. Schiff knew about it in advance.

You can't tell me one or the other didn't send someone to "help" with that complaint. Again, it was too well formatted to be your normal, run of the mill fraud, waste and abuse complaint.

Combine that with the rule changes about second and third hand information right before this complaint went out.

Add in the fact it was on a code word clearance server and was classified (as I'd expect communications between world leaders to be and should be)

What else don't we know yet?

If this, again, doesn't start to stink to you, I really don't know what would. If this was your case and this kind of evidence was possibly tainted in this fashion, you'd blow a gasket.
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"In advance" of what? Him filing it? Or them announcing impeachment.

Nothing wrong with the latter. And really nothing wrong with the former if the contents are true, which so far they have proven to be, given Trump's admission and the transcript.
 
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37L1 said:
And any attempt to delay or discourage will be considered obstruction.
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It wouldn't be the first act of obstruction in this process. The applicable statute specifically states that the (in this case, acting) Director of National Intelligence, Joseph Maguire, had 7 days to forward the whistleblower complaint to the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, once submitted to their office by the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community (Michael Atkinson), if the IG had determined the complaint to be both "urgent" and "credible" which Atkinson had already done. Yet, it took Maguire 3 weeks. It wasn't his job to analyze the IG's determination. It was his job to simply forward a redacted version of the whistleblower complaint to Congress within one week. However, Maguire allowed himself to be bullied by the Department of Justice (AG William Barr) and he didn't forward the complaint to the Congressional Intel Committees until it had become a public scandal.
 
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37L1 said:
Nice try counselor. I don't recall ever mentioning "but Obama" once in this conversation. Please point to where I used those words, please. You see what you want to see, read into it what you want to read into it, just like the rest of us. As far as I am concerned, it fit into the conversation by showing the perils of whistle blowers no matter what assurance/protections are given to encourage them coming forward. You don't see it? Too bad for you. Perhaps an optometrist could help you there or a cold beer to help you chill out and gain some perspective.

Might have missed it in all the verbiage since you can't give a simple yes or no answer, but I'll ask again, just for amusement: Do you see Snowden or Manning as heroes? I'm assuming you don't, as you referred to their acts as criminal while the whistle blower worked within the framework of the law to come forward. Is that a correct assumption on my part? Or did the information they provided excuse the criminality a la Pentagon Papers?
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The original post was about how Trump’s behavior shifts the calculus for prospective whistleblowers.

You just admitted that the point you were trying to make in response to that was that the calculus was already skewed. Why say that if not to minimize Trump’s impact on the calculus?

You’re essentially saying, “he’s just being a jerk but that it doesn’t really matter because some people will eschew the whistleblower protections, even if he didn’t.”

That makes no sense, when you agree that people who violate those protections do harm to American interests and deserve to be prosecuted.

Maybe I need one of your beers. You’ve apparently had too many.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
I guess if you were President going through all this BS you would have handled it better. I don't think you would be all lovie dovie and sending out kisses & kudos to those hating false accusers. Your TDS is showing too strong again today hater.
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Trump is unhinged right now. Profanity on Twitter, making wild accusations in a press conference and pretty much losing his temper. I would expect better than that from the President of the United States.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm not sure how much speculation there needs to be. Pelosi admitted to seeing the complaint in advance. Schiff knew about it in advance.

You can't tell me one or the other didn't send someone to "help" with that complaint. Again, it was too well formatted to be your normal, run of the mill fraud, waste and abuse complaint.

Combine that with the rule changes about second and third hand information right before this complaint went out.

Add in the fact it was on a code word clearance server and was classified (as I'd expect communications between world leaders to be and should be)

What else don't we know yet?

If this, again, doesn't start to stink to you, I really don't know what would. If this was your case and this kind of evidence was possibly tainted in this fashion, you'd blow a gasket.
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“I don’t know how much speculation we need...” [proceeds with pure speculation.]

Why do you just bring back the “Biden confessed” narrative?
 
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