The Impeachment Thread

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Orange_Crush said:
The supporters aren'tt the ones confirmed to be idiots by this post. Trump never mentioned the aid. He'd already withheld the aid by the time the call happened. Ukraine didn't know it had been withheld for a month.

All your post indicates is that you can't think beyond a talking point.
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You do understand how a bribe works, right?

Step 1: Withhold the $
Step 2: Tell bribe target you want action or no $

Seriously dude, if you deny reality here it's on you.
 
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#7,254
Orange_Crush said:
The supporters aren'tt the ones confirmed to be idiots by this post. Trump never mentioned the aid. He'd already withheld the aid by the time the call happened. Ukraine didn't know it had been withheld for a month.

All your post indicates is that you can't think beyond a talking point.
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Yes... and there hasn't been a sufficient explanation given as to why. That aid had already been approved by Congress. It does not make sense that the aid was withheld because Trump was trying to get European countries to share in the burden... when no other country even knew that Trump had unilaterally withheld funds from the United States. Your claim that Ukraine didn't know for a month is dubious. They obviously knew that they had not received the funds yet.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes... and there hasn't been a sufficient explanation given as to why. That aid had already been approved by Congress. It does not make sense that the aid was withheld because Trump was trying to get European countries to share in the burden... when no other country even knew that Trump had unilaterally withheld funds from the United States. Your claim that Ukraine didn't know for a month is dubious. They obviously knew that they had not received the funds yet.
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See Monty backfire post. A shakedown happens by threatening the target. Again... And this isn't complicated...

Trump never mentioned the money. They didn't know it had been withheld for a month after the conversion.

It wasn't a bribe. Or a shakedown. Your conjecture is little more then the need for orange man to be bad.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
See Monty backfire post. A shakedown happens by threatening the target. Again... And this isn't complicated...

Trump never mentioned the money. They didn't know it had been withheld for a month after the conversion.

It wasn't a bribe. Or a shakedown. Your conjecture is little more then the need for orange man to be bad.
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I don't buy that... They had to know they hadn't yet received $340 million in aid. A country the size of Ukraine doesn't overlook that much money. It was a bribe. Ukraine wasn't getting those funds unless Zelensky convinced Trump that he would assist Giuliani in an investigation of the Bidens and agree to help exonerate Russia of interference in the 2016 election.

Trump withholding Congressionally authorized military aid to the Ukraine was about gaining leverage over them. End/
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't buy that... They had to know they hadn't yet received $340 million in aid. A country the size of Ukraine doesn't overlook that much money. It was a bribe. Ukraine wasn't getting those funds unless Zelensky convinced Trump that he would assist Giuliani in an investigation of the Bidens and agree to help exonerate Russia of interference in the 2016 election.

Trump withholding Congressionally authorized military aid to the Ukraine was about gaining leverage over them. End/
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Blah, blah, blah... Translation: i will ignore the testimony of those involved because... Orange man must be bad.

Your conjecture and personal incredulity are worth nothing.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Wikipedia says it was a common way to avoid combat service but I’m not old enough to know about all that.
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The reserves were safe because LBJ was trying to pass all his great society crap (that we're still paying dearly for) and couldn't afford to call a war a war. If he called it a war, then military would have been fully mobilized and the reserves would have been called up. LBJ just did it on the cheap and got untrained and underpaid cannon fodder for his nonsensical war. LBJ and McNamara were two of Americas's greatest mass murders ... Abe got an even better body count though.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Blah, blah, blah... Translation: i will ignore the testimony of those involved because... Orange man must be bad.

Your conjecture and personal incredulity are worth nothing.
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Just keep in mind, there hasn't been an explanation for why aid to the Ukraine was withheld that makes any sense... and Trump has changed his story. At first, Trump said that it was because of Ukrainian corruption (yeah, like that would really bother a man who considers Putin an ally), but the next day, Trump said that it was because he wanted European countries to share in the burden - but how would withholding those funds help - unless European countries were first made aware that the aid had been withheld? Neither one of his explanations makes any sense... and he did change explanations from one day to the next when pressed on it.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
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It's obvious that we haven't used impeachment nearly enough, then. Considering all of congress, the judicial and executive branches, we should just have an Inquisition and gallows, stocks, and cages lining the mall.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Just keep in mind, there hasn't been an explanation for why aid to the Ukraine was withheld that makes any sense... and Trump has changed his story. At first, Trump said that it was because of Ukrainian corruption (yeah, like that would really bother a man who considers Putin an ally), but the next day, Trump said that it was because he wanted European countries to share in the burden - but how would withholding those funds help - unless European countries were first made aware that the aid had been withheld? Neither one of his explanations makes any sense... and he did change explanations from one day to the next when pressed on it.
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Oh yay. More personal incredulity.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Think about this again.. A US congressmen went on primetime news and said that the US Intel agencies could take Trump down for not stepping in line with them.

And we have a bunch of party mouth breathers cheering it on as it unfolds.
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As they lay their Ukraine coup and resulting corrupt fleecing of Ukraine’s newly installed puppets of their choosing. This story is much bigger than just Biden.
 
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There's reports all over that Hillary proposed shredding the constitution if it doesn't let us impeach Trump. Any credible links or proof to that?
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
As they lay their Ukraine coup and resulting corrupt fleecing of Ukraine’s newly installed puppets of their choosing. This story is much bigger than just Biden.
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Yes it is. I suspect it's about the US stealing resources from the Ukraine and US politicians from both parties getting rich from it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't buy that... They had to know they hadn't yet received $340 million in aid. A country the size of Ukraine doesn't overlook that much money. It was a bribe. Ukraine wasn't getting those funds unless Zelensky convinced Trump that he would assist Giuliani in an investigation of the Bidens and agree to help exonerate Russia of interference in the 2016 election.

Trump withholding Congressionally authorized military aid to the Ukraine was about gaining leverage over them. End/
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So what's worse? Holding back on a check's in the mail kind of promise, or delivering pallets of cash to an enemy state in the middle of the night?

Just out of curiosity. Why should we provide any country foreign aid without expecting something in return?

Do you actually think a know nothing kid gets put on the board of a foreign gas company with a salary of tens of thousands per month unless his father is influential in US politics? And there's no hint of quid pro quo?
 
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AM64 said:
So what's worse? Holding back on a check's in the mail kind of promise, or delivering pallets of cash to an enemy state in the middle of the night?

Just out of curiosity. Why should we provide any country foreign aid without expecting something in return?

Do you actually think a know nothing kid gets put on the board of a foreign gas company with a salary of tens of thousands per month unless his father is influential in US politics? And there's no hint of quid pro quo?
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It has been explained countless times on here why that was done... it was Iran's money plus over 30 years of interest. They had purchased military airplane parts just prior to the 1979 hostage crisis that were never delivered. Had it gone to an international tribunal, they would have been awarded more than what they received.

...and what Trump was expecting in return, was not of benefit to the United States, it was to benefit his own reelection campaign.
 
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