The Impeachment Thread

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VolnJC said:
It is an open investigation
Document reveals Ukraine had already reopened probe of Hunter Biden-linked firm months before Trump phone call
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An investigation of Burisma, but not of Hunter Biden. That seems like an important distinction.

Therefore, the relevance of what he was paid or not paid is missing.

Even then, it's simply an investigation - no evidence of actual wrongdoing by the firm or more importantly for our purposes, of him. Is the theory of where there's smoke there's fire? I'd think the red hats would want to steer far clear of that argument.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
LMAO............@Morning Joe...........Hilarious tweets you post there girly lawyer.....keep at it.

Morning Joe is about as credible with an audience as BB85....
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Sheesh, he's referring to polls conducted by third-parties, not polls he conducted. Sometimes I wonder who can be dumb enough to vote for Trump. You're the answer to that question.
 
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It's not a black hat white hat thing in Syria...follow the below Twitter feed from a former security analyst in the area
 
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GVF said:
Nope. Citing formal procedure and calling BS on it. I don't care who is wanting to impeach who, there is a constitutional process to follow, period.
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How , exactly, is this being done in an unconstitutional procedure?
 
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GVF said:
Nope. Citing formal procedure and calling BS on it. I don't care who is wanting to impeach who, there is a constitutional process to follow, period.
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No, there isn't. Nothing in the Constitution says that the Democrats have to hold a vote prior to the impeachment inquiry. You are talking out of your butt.
 
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evillawyer said:
Sheesh, he's referring to polls conducted by third-parties, not polls he conducted. Sometimes I wonder who can be dumb enough to vote for Trump. You're the answer to that question.
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Lol......I didn't read any of your silly little tweet posted that you so desperately have to live by each day for a fix.
Again, just the headline alone smells like more desperation on the Dims side...
 
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New memo released by whistleblower. This one was written one day after the call based on conversation he had with someone present for the call.

Read the whistleblower's memo about Trump's Ukraine call, as described to CBS News

26 July 2019
The following is a record of a conversation I had this afternoon with a White House official about the telephone call yesterday morning between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. The official who listened to the entirety of the phone call was visibly shaken by what had transpired and seemed keen to inform a trusted colleague within the U.S. national security apparatus about the call. After my call with this official I [redacted] returned to my office, and wrote up my best recollection of what I had heard.

The official described the call as "crazy," "frightening" and "completely lacking in substance related to national security." The official asserted that the President used the call to persuade Ukrainian authorities to investigate his political rivals, chiefly former Vice President Biden and his son, Hunter. The official stated that there was already a conversation underway with White House lawyers about how to handle the discussion because, in the official's view, the President had clearly committed a criminal act by urging a foreign power to investigate a U.S. person for the purposes of advancing his own reelection bid in 2020.

The phone call lasted approximately half an hour. The two leaders spoke through interpreters. My conversation with the official only lasted a few minutes, and as a result, I only received highlights:
  • The President asserted that "it all started in Ukraine," referring to the allegations of foreign interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and the subsequent investigation into the Trump campaign's contact with Russian individuals
  • The President asked Zelenskyy to locate the "Crowdstrike server" and turn it over to the United States, claiming that Crowdstrike is "a Ukrainian company," (Note: This appears to be a reference to the DNC server from which Russian hackers stole data and emails that were subsequently leaked in mid-2016; the DNC hired cyber security firm Crowdstrike to do the forensic analysis, which informed the FBI's investigation. It is not clear what the president was referring to when he claimed Crowdstrike is a Ukrainian company; one of its cofounders was born in Moscow.)
  • The President told Zelenskyy that he would be sending his personal lawyer, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, to Ukraine soon and requested that Zelenskyy meet with him. Zelenskyy reluctantly agreed that, if Giuliani traveled to Ukraine, he would see him.
  • The President raised the case of Burisma Holdings, Hunter Biden's role in the company, and former Vice President Biden's role in setting Ukraine policy. The President urged Zelenskyy to [end page 1] investigate the Bidens and stated that Giuliani would discuss this topic further with Zelenskyy during his trip to Kyiv.
  • The President urged Zelenskyy not to fire Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko, who the President claimed was doing a good job. (Note: Lutsenko has spearheaded various politicized investigations, including on Burisma Holdings and alleged "Ukrainian interference" in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Lutsenko is widely reviled in Ukraine, and Zelenskyy has pledged to fire him but has been unable to secure approval from the legislature.)
  • The President stated that he wanted Attorney General William Barr to speak with Zelenskyy as soon as possible. (Note: It was not clear whether this conversation was to be in reference to Crowdstrike or the investigations of the Bidens.)
  • The President reiterated his concern that Zelenskyy was surrounded by people who were enemies of the President, including "bad oligarchs."
The President did not raise security assistance. According to the official, Zelenskyy demurred in response to most of the President's requests.

I did not review a transcript or written notes, but the official informed me that they exist.
  • The standard White House practice for Presidential-level phone calls with world leaders is for the White House Situation Room to produce a word-for-word electronic transcript that memorializes the call. The transcript is typically then circulated to key White House officials to be transformed into a formal memorandum that is distributed as an eyes-only document, to the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and Director of the CIA.
  • In this case, the official told me that such a transcript had indeed been produced and was being treated very sensitively, in hard copy only. Moreover, several additional senior White House officials listened to the entire phone call in an adjacent room in the Situation Room suite and they presumably took written notes on the call.
  • The official did not know whether the President was aware that other people were listening and that the call was being transcribed. The official also was not certain whether anyone else was in the Oval Office with the President during the call.
  • On the Ukrainian side, it is unclear who listened to the call or whether a record was produced.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Sleepy Joe is going after YOUR GREAT AND WISE PRESIDENT! Not fair! Maybe TREASON! Impeach? @foxandfriends @hannity
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Joe isn’t very smart , if he was he’d just close his mouth . Whatever he says now will be used against him on the trail in all those rallies “ IF” he’s the one the left chooses .
 
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evillawyer said:
Sheesh, he's referring to polls conducted by third-parties, not polls he conducted. Sometimes I wonder who can be dumb enough to vote for Trump. You're the answer to that question.
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I’m curious ... which loser did you vote for ? Did you vote for the one in the White House now or the one that was so bad she couldn’t beat the current POTUS ? Lol
 
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0nelilreb said:
Joe isn’t very smart , if he was he’d just close his mouth . Whatever he says now will be used against him on the trail in all those rallies “ IF” he’s the one the left chooses .
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Trump is going to attack whoever the nominee is, regardless of what that person says. Mostly with petty insults and lies.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Trump is going to attack whoever the nominee is, regardless of what that person says. Mostly with petty insults and lies.
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I agree about the petty insults but he doesn't have to lie about them, just replay one of a hundred promises they've made regarding taxes, healthcare, guns and immigration would be enough.
 
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Good tweet thread on some differences between the latest released memo and the WH summary of the call. And no, this is not THAT Michael Cohen.

 
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zeppelin128 said:
Pete has nothing to do with this topic. He wouldn't be wrapped up in shady crap like this anyways.
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Must have hit a nerve w/your love. There's no telling what shady crap Pete has been up to in the past. They all have dirty laundry which can be dug up & printed for the public. Nobody's safe once they are politicians running for Office.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Trump is going to attack whoever the nominee is, regardless of what that person says. Mostly with petty insults and lies.
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They won’t be lies if they give him the sound bites to use against him . If you know you are going to have to face him , why would you give him ammo for the thing he does best ... rally people on the trail . Just not smart .
 
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