The Impeachment Thread

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#852
harley1995 said:
Yup, one involved Bidens son being investigated by a prosecutor, fire him or no Aid....Considering its on video of Biden’s shakedown of Ukraine to fire this investigator or else, its kind of an open and shut case.


Can you here the outcry if Trump did this with Trump Jr? Fire the investigator or else
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Biden did not say that the prosecutor should be fired because he was investigating Biden's son or company. To the contrary, a number of countries had all taken the position that the prosecutor had to go because he was a left over from the prior government, was himself corrupt, and was favoring Russian interests trying to take over the country.

The Trump theory otherwise has been debunked by none other than Fox News' fact checking department, as well as a number of Fox news hosts, including most recently Napolitano. The only people perpetuating this are the most allegiant of Trump acolytes. It just isn't going to work.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
It would be a problem if it’s true. Do you have any link that shows there was even an investigation into Hunter Biden?
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Biden admitted he got the guy looking into it fired , its on video! And if Trump ask the leader to do an investigation into this, so what!
 
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#855
Velo Vol said:
It would be interesting to see a breakdown on the $15 billion. Probably a lot of fluff in those numbers.

At any rate I think it's a pretty safe bet that Trump never mentioned EU funding when he was talking to the Ukrainian president.

I may have only heard a partial clip, but the people Trump said he was telling that to were all in the White House--i.e., ones that won't dispute his claims.
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He should be discussing EU funding with EU leaders and officials. Surely there's transcripts that Trump can release that could backup his story.
 
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Mick said:
He should be discussing EU funding with EU leaders and officials. Surely there's transcripts that Trump can release that could backup his story.
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You mean one where he contemporaneously told another European leader he was holding up Ukrainian aid because other European countries aren't paying enough?

L.O.L.
 
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#857
volfanhill said:
State owned Russia media...no it doesn’t count
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In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”

Vice President Biden met with Archer in April 2014 right as Archer was named to the board at Burisma. A month later, Hunter Biden was named to the board, to oversee Burisma’s legal team.

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived


So someone tell me whats wrong with asking a country to look into this?
 
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harley1995 said:
In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”

Vice President Biden met with Archer in April 2014 right as Archer was named to the board at Burisma. A month later, Hunter Biden was named to the board, to oversee Burisma’s legal team.

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived


So someone tell me whats wrong with asking a country to look into this?
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See mine above about Trump acolytes perpetuating this lie.

John Solomon (political commentator) - Wikipedia
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Take a normal story, add one false element to make it a scandal. Let the internet community spread it around. When challenged, defend the elements of the story that are real (“but Joe Biden really did demand this prosecutor resign!” “But uranium holdings really were sold...”) Once enough people hear it and repeat it it sinks in and the ones who want to believe it will believe it. Ones who don’t know what to believe will be averse to the target.
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Apparently this bears repeating. Again...
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Anybody betting the under on the number of people in this thread who agree with all of the following statements?

A. The president is totally justified in soliciting the investigation of his political opponents because the president has or should have that authority and also because Joe Biden is clearly dirty?”

B. the patriot act was a good idea to combat Islamic terrorism?

C. Obama should have been impeached for using the patriot act to spy on Donald Trump?
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D. Using the IRS as a weapon against the American people

E. Spying on reporters that he didn’t like .

F. Using an EO to create the dreamers act even though he didn’t have the power to do so and admitted he didn’t to the public .

Edit : as long as we are giving credit where credit is due and all .
 
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0nelilreb said:
D. Using the IRS as a weapon against the American people

E. Spying on reporters that he didn’t like .

F. Using an EO to create the dreamers act even though he didn’t have the power to do so and admitted he didn’t to the public .

Edit : as long as we are giving credit where credit is due and all .
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It’s almost as if it’s a bad idea not to hold he president accountable when he overreaches, even if you like said president and agree with the intended result...
 
#864
#864
RockyTop85 said:
It’s almost as if it’s a bad idea not to hold he president accountable when he overreaches, even if you like said president and agree with the intended result...
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All of them over reach , Congress is even worse . They are all liars , scam artists , hustlers , profiteers and have never minded doing what’s best for them and theirs regardless of the cost .
 
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0nelilreb said:
All of them over reach , Congress is even worse . They are all liars , scam artists , hustlers , profiteers and have never minded doing what’s best for them and theirs regardless of the cost .
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If you really believed this, you would have no reason to go out of your way to complain about Obama.
 
#867
#867
Ukraine minister denies Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy during call: report

KIEV (Reuters) – Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko on Saturday denied suggestions U.S. President Donald Trump had put pressure on Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskiy during a phone call in July.

Ukraine minister denies Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy during call: report

Really all you need to know!


The only ‘pressure’ was by Biden to have the Ukrainian prosecutor removed from office
 
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RockyTop85 said:
If you really believed this, you would have no reason to go out of your way to complain about Obama.
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this is one of the first times that I’ve seen you not make sense . Of course I can he was my president and he did dirty deeds . My statement said “ ALL “of them . I could have went back further but going past the last admin. Is just adding to the already burning dumpster fire that has enough fuel with this one and the previous one .
 
#871
#871
Dims are in desperation mode right now.
Why aren’t they talking about Joe and Hunter going to China 2013 and making a deal with the Chinese. The media is circling the wagons around Hunter to protect Joe. It’s obviously clear but they want to blame Trump.
 
#872
#872
Whole lotta whataboutisms spouted about.

Put Biden aside, and answer this simple question: Is it acceptable for our President - Democrat or Republican or whatever - to extort a foreign country with American taxpayer money for the President's own personal benefit?
 
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#873
I’m kinda shocked Steve Doocy was able to say this without someone in the control room opening the trap door to swallow him whole

 
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#874
0nelilreb said:
this is one of the first times that I’ve seen you not make sense . Of course I can he was my president and he did dirty deeds . My statement said “ ALL “of them . I could have went back further but going past the last admin. Is just adding to the already burning dumpster fire that has enough fuel with this one and the previous one .
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What was the point of your first post? What was the purpose in bringing up Obama’s dirty deeds?
 
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#875
harley1995 said:
Biden admitted he got the guy looking into it fired , its on video! And if Trump ask the leader to do an investigation into this, so what!
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This is the problem with your ilk, you are only capable of blame and whataboutism. The Trumpers cannot accept that their King is simply a different side of the same coin. He isn't anti-establishment, he's balls deep into the same corrupt nonsense. The trumpers are simply too ignorant to acknowledge this.
 
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