The Irony of Obama's message tonight

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#26
Obama doesn't do very many interviews but there is one thing I have noticed about him, maybe someone else has picked it up too. Whenever he is challenged on something he makes this face as though he were agitated or angry. He looks very uncomfortable when this happens. Have any of you noticed this?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
I can't believe that the democrats will blow a chance at the WH for three straight elections!

The majority of Clinton supporters will go to McCain.
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That is really most unbelievable thing ever. People are looking for any option, but the dems continue to beat themselves time and again.
 
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Exit polling from NC and IN showed only about 50% of people thought either HC or BO would improve the economy.

Not sure if that's par for the course in primaries but it doesn't suggest the base is very optimistic about their candidate's impact on the economy.
 
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allvol123 said:
Good rant VBH.

On a side not, the NC results were rigged. TennNC voted for Obama 245,187 times.
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245,188, actually.

Surprised I can even type this morning. Do you know how tiring it is to fill out that many tiny black ovals?
 
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TennNC said:
245,188, actually.

Surprised I can even type this morning. Do you know how tiring it is to fill out that many tiny black ovals?
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Imagine it they had punch cards and you had to worry about chads
 
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Volnissniss said:
Oh Emain, he's probably dancin a jig right this very moment :dance2:

Where's Kirby? Did he ship off already?
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I actually did have a couple of celebratory drinks last night.

OrangeEmpire said:
I can't believe that the democrats will blow a chance at the WH for three straight elections!

The majority of Clinton supporters will go to McCain.
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Some of them will, the majority though?

Maybe I have blinders on, but I don't think there is a chance the Democrats can blow this one. Assuming there isn't another Rev. Wright in Obama's past, he should be fine.
 
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Things change.

At this point in 1992, Clinton was third behind Bush and Perot.

Plus, I think the dynamics change when it's a clear competition between two candidates as opposed to "what if?" scenarios.
 
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and maybe it will change in the general elec but none of it really hurts McCain.
 
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TennNC said:
Things change.

At this point in 1992, Clinton was third behind Bush and Perot.

Plus, I think the dynamics change when it's a clear competition between two candidates as opposed to "what if?" scenarios.
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Say what you want about Bill but the man knew how to communicate to potential voters. He had that inherent ability to say what he knew the voters wanted to hear. Obama does not have that same skill and Hillary certainly does not. Things change and I do believe that the longer it takes for the dems to get their candidate it helps the repubs.
 
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KB5252 said:
Say what you want about Bill but the man knew how to communicate to potential voters. He had that inherent ability to say what he knew the voters wanted to hear. Obama does not have that same skill and Hillary certainly does not. Things change and I do believe that the longer it takes for the dems to get their candidate it helps the repubs.
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neither does McCain.
 
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KB5252 said:
Say what you want about Bill but the man knew how to communicate to potential voters. He had that inherent ability to say what he knew the voters wanted to hear. Obama does not have that same skill and Hillary certainly does not. Things change and I do believe that the longer it takes for the dems to get their candidate it helps the repubs.
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He's not Bill Clinton, but I think he has a different type of "it" factor. Maybe he's just emerging. Maybe he's hit his height. We'll see.
 
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TennNC said:
He's not Bill Clinton, but I think he has a different type of "it" factor. Maybe he's just emerging. Maybe he's hit his height. We'll see.
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I am beginning to think the dems have gotten themselves into a pickle. What percentage of the voting block in the NC primary was black? I will guess 25. So I take those 25 points and say Obama gets 23 of them and Hillary gets 2 of them. So if he won 56 to 42 and you deduct the black vote he is getting beat 33 to 40 among non-black democratic voters. It seems to me he has just done a damn good job of getting the black vote out in the democratic primaries and essentially splitting the non-black vote. My numbers are loose guesses, can you offer anything more solid TennNC?
 
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TennNC said:
He's not Bill Clinton, but I think he has a different type of "it" factor. Maybe he's just emerging. Maybe he's hit his height. We'll see.
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I think he hit his height during the rock star status he enjoyed for a while. Fairly soon after the people started fainting at his events. You could see his celebrity decline after the Wright statements along with his wifes. I think he has nowhere to go but down.
 
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KB5252 said:
I think he hit his height during the rock star status he enjoyed for a while. Fairly soon after the people started fainting at his events. You could see his celebrity decline after the Wright statements along with his wifes. I think he has nowhere to go but down.
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If Rev. Wright hasn't hurt him to this point, he isn't going to hurt him.
 
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emainvol said:
If Rev. Wright hasn't hurt him to this point, he isn't going to hurt him.
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We were talking about him peaking. When people were falling out while he was speaking I would certainly consider that his peak. That is no longer happening and with his wife's statement coupled with his ties to Rev. Wright I think it is hard to deny that has hurt him a little over the past few weeks. Maybe not enough to ruin his chances but there are undecided voters who do not like his close ties to Wright and the things that were said.
 
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KB5252 said:
We were talking about him peaking. When people were falling out while he was speaking I would certainly consider that his peak. That is no longer happening and with his wife's statement coupled with his ties to Rev. Wright I think it is hard to deny that has hurt him a little over the past few weeks. Maybe not enough to ruin his chances but there are undecided voters who do not like his close ties to Wright and the things that were said.
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He won North Carolina by more than he was supposed to, and closed the gap to less than 2 points in Indiana. If that's getting hurt, I think Mr. Obama is probably okay with it.
 
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emainvol said:
He won North Carolina by more than he was supposed to, and closed the gap to less than 2 points in Indiana. If that's getting hurt, I think Mr. Obama is probably okay with it.
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It hasn't hurt him much right now but he is only trying to appeal to his base. He has become somewhat polarizing (not quite like Hillary though) and that can hurt him later.
 
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emainvol said:
If Rev. Wright hasn't hurt him to this point, he isn't going to hurt him.
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the independents/undecideds don't vote in primaries for the most part. It will be brought up again and I still believe it will hurt.
 
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utvolpj said:
the independents/undecideds don't vote in primaries for the most part. It will be brought up again and I still believe it will hurt.
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I agree.

I'd be willing to bet that his relationship with Ayers will influence voters as well.

Just imagine the ads that the McCain campaign will run around Sept. 11th, pointing out that Obama has a friendly relationship with a known terrorist.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
I agree.

I'd be willing to bet that his relationship with Ayers will influence voters as well.

Just imagine the ads that the McCain campaign will run around Sept. 11th, pointing out that Obama has a friendly relationship with a known terrorist.
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If the voting public is dumb enough to believe Ayers is not a changed man, they should be neutered.
 
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emainvol said:
If the voting public is dumb enough to believe Ayers is not a changed man, they should be neutered.
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Changed in what way? He's not bombing anymore but as recently as 2001 did he not claim he didn't go far enough with his actions?

I really don't know much about the man.
 
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