The "Jordan McRae>Marshall Henderson" Postgame Report

#26
#26
Velo Vol said:
Three-point shooting

Saturday: 1-19

Tonight: 11-20

Go figure.
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If I have time Sunday, I need to do a study in the Cuonzo Martin Era on our three point shooting. I swear, if we are under 30%, we lose 75% of the time.
 
#28
#28
Agree. This win is important for this team who is on the fence. And it was a blue collar win. D, rebounds, and paint dominance. I like that. We also took better care of the ball.
 
#30
#30
Great win by the Vols. I'll give Coach Martin credit, I thought it was a good lineup and gameplan tonight. I honestly thought we'd lose this one based on recent history.

Hopefully these guys keep focus, win the ones they should which are the next three, and pull an upset somewhere.
 
#32
#32
zjcvols said:
After getting blown out by Florida and the disappointment of this year, Tennessee easily could have just said "Oh well" at this game and they didn't.
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Yeah I was impressed.....I was afraid if they lost this game....zo would lose the team.
 
#33
#33
zjcvols said:
If I have time Sunday, I need to do a study in the Cuonzo Martin Era on our three point shooting. I swear, if we are under 30%, we lose 75% of the time.
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Thats whats bad about this team.....if we arent shooting well, it seems like we cant win the ugly games.....you have to be able to do that to be a good team.
 
#34
#34
zjcvols said:
If I have time Sunday, I need to do a study in the Cuonzo Martin Era on our three point shooting. I swear, if we are under 30%, we lose 75% of the time.
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I've done some number crunching on our shooting statistics and how they translate to wins and losses (from this season only), and posted them in another thread within the last 10 days or so.

When this team shoots less than 50% from the field, they are 6-7 this season. Conversely, they are 7-0 when shooting over 50%. This tells me that we are very much a below average team if we aren't making an abnormal percentage of shots from the field. That seems like common sense, but making 50% of your shots is not the norm, and yet it seems like we need to hit that number many nights to close out opponents.

The 3-point shooting numbers are even more alarming. As you predicted, we lose 75% of the time when we shoot less than 35% from the 3-point line (2-6 on the season). We are 11-1 when we shoot greater than 35% (the loss being to Xavier when we hit an embarrassing 7 of 19 FTs in a 4-point loss).
 
#35
#35
calban said:
Great game.
Need to break the win one lose one pattern now.
Don't want to hear any more about how bad Maymon is this season.
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He had a good game but Ole Miss is hardly what I would call a strong post team. I want to see him do it against a real post player before I say he is a threat
 
#36
#36
cncchris33 said:
I've done some number crunching on our shooting statistics and how they translate to wins and losses (from this season only), and posted them in another thread within the last 10 days or so.

When this team shoots less than 50% from the field, they are 6-7 this season. Conversely, they are 7-0 when shooting over 50%. This tells me that we are very much a below average team if we aren't making an abnormal percentage of shots from the field. That seems like common sense, but making 50% of your shots is not the norm, and yet it seems like we need to hit that number many nights to close out opponents.

The 3-point shooting numbers are even more alarming. As you predicted, we lose 75% of the time when we shoot less than 35% from the 3-point line (2-6 on the season). We are 11-1 when we shoot greater than 35% (the loss being to Xavier when we hit an embarrassing 7 of 19 FTs in a 4-point loss).
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So, in a nutshell: we win more games when we score more frequently? :)
 
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#37
#37
This was Martin's first winning record in January.
5-3
Another jinx gone.
Hope the road one isn't still here.
 
#38
#38
cncchris33 said:
I've done some number crunching on our shooting statistics and how they translate to wins and losses (from this season only), and posted them in another thread within the last 10 days or so.

When this team shoots less than 50% from the field, they are 6-7 this season. Conversely, they are 7-0 when shooting over 50%. This tells me that we are very much a below average team if we aren't making an abnormal percentage of shots from the field. That seems like common sense, but making 50% of your shots is not the norm, and yet it seems like we need to hit that number many nights to close out opponents.

The 3-point shooting numbers are even more alarming. As you predicted, we lose 75% of the time when we shoot less than 35% from the 3-point line (2-6 on the season). We are 11-1 when we shoot greater than 35% (the loss being to Xavier when we hit an embarrassing 7 of 19 FTs in a 4-point loss).
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The VOLs do struggle against good defensive team, especially those who can run a good press. Florida had the bet defense they/we have played in a number of years. If we played defense as well as Florida, we would likely be undefeated this year.
 
#39
#39
I hate that I missed this game (I had to work). It sounds like it was a good one. Glad to see this team hasn't given up. One game at a time, keep the effort, and Go Vols!
 
#40
#40
kiddiedoc said:
So, in a nutshell: we win more games when we score more frequently? :)
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Like I said, it seems pretty elementary. But shooting 50% from the field being your fail-safe plan for winning won't work out too often.

It tells me that we are severely lacking in other areas (mainly defensively) that we can't make up points and possessions in other areas. We literally HAVE to shoot well to win more games than we lose. That isn't the case for the two best teams in the SEC.

When shooting 50%+ from the field...
Tennessee: 7-0
Kentucky: 6-0
Florida: 6-0

When shooting less than 50% from the field...
Tennessee: 6-7
Kentucky: 9-5
Florida: 11-2

When shooting 35%+ from 3-point line...
Tennessee: 11-1
Kentucky: 5-3
Florida: 9-1

When shooting less than 35% from 3-point line...
Tennessee: 2-6
Kentucky: 10-2
Florida: 8-1

Florida and Kentucky can seemingly win on average to below average shooting nights. Tennessee is under .500. We are doing something wrong somewhere.
 
#41
#41
cncchris33 said:
Like I said, it seems pretty elementary. But shooting 50% from the field being your fail-safe plan for winning won't work out too often.

It tells me that we are severely lacking in other areas (mainly defensively) that we can't make up points and possessions in other areas. We literally HAVE to shoot well to win more games than we lose. That isn't the case for the two best teams in the SEC.

When shooting 50%+ from the field...
Tennessee: 7-0
Kentucky: 6-0
Florida: 6-0

When shooting less than 50% from the field...
Tennessee: 6-7
Kentucky: 9-5
Florida: 11-2

When shooting 35%+ from 3-point line...
Tennessee: 11-1
Kentucky: 5-3
Florida: 9-1

When shooting less than 35% from 3-point line...
Tennessee: 2-6
Kentucky: 10-2
Florida: 8-1

Florida and Kentucky can seemingly win on average to below average shooting nights. Tennessee is under .500. We are doing something wrong somewhere.
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From where I'm sitting the low percentage at the 3 is usually when we're running our funky off tempo offense and chucking 3s instead of attacking up tempo.
Up tempo for us seems to incur hitting the 3 in rhythm. JMO
 
#42
#42
calban said:
From where I'm sitting the low percentage at the 3 is usually when we're running our funky off tempo offense and chucking 3s instead of attacking up tempo.
Up tempo for us seems to incur hitting the 3 in rhythm. JMO
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It also seems that when we aren't hitting from 3 that we stubbornly keep shooting from there to prove we can hit them. This usually snowballs like it did Saturday at Florida. It results in falling behind, and being forced to shoot more of them to get back into games.

We are at our best when we shoot fewer than 12 3-pointers a game.
 
#43
#43
cncchris33 said:
It also seems that when we aren't hitting from 3 that we stubbornly keep shooting from there to prove we can hit them. This usually snowballs like it did Saturday at Florida. It results in falling behind, and being forced to shoot more of them to get back into games.

We are at our best when we shoot fewer than 12 3-pointers a game.
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Much better at attacking zone last night.
They can do it when their heads are on straight.
 
#48
#48
cncchris33 said:
It also seems that when we aren't hitting from 3 that we stubbornly keep shooting from there to prove we can hit them..
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What makes this more frustrating is that we have an inside game that can score against most teams. No need to shoot threes.
 
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