The "Jordan McRae>Marshall Henderson" Postgame Report

#77
#77
bigdaddy said:
And how did we lose those games to ATM UK and UF? Def post play had a role in that. They play well in the post but I would take Kansas post over ours any day. That's the type if play I expect from these guys every game
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Haha. Yep, I would most definitely take a possible #1 pick over ours. Who wouldn't? Geez.

Really, in our two losses that we should want back, our offense was terrible in both. Bad flow, bad shooting, etc. Sad thing is if we make FT's or Barton hits a wide open 3 with 1:30 left, then we aren't even talking about the A&M loss.
 
#78
#78
Fullfillmer said:
While they are certainly different style players - what I have seen this year has not led me to believe that Jordon McCray is a better basketball player than Marshall Henderson. McCray has a much better supporting cast, and made 6 of 7 uncontested shots without Richardson draped over him. I don't want to go back and check, but I don't think Henderson was 1 for 15 with no assists and 14 running wayhoo shifters against Florida either.

McCray can do things that Henderson can not - but Henderson can do a few things that nobody else can do.

Where would Ole Miss be without Henderson? Where would we be without Jordon? Last night I thought they both played well - albeit they both forced a few shots.

McCray is a talent but doesn't always get it and apparently the coaches struggle to help him get it.

Go back and watch the Florida game and his shot selection along with his passing and distributing of the ball. Shooters gotta shoot, but not necessarily 20 times a game, jumping sideways, while they are double teamed. Meanwhile Stokes is inside, virtually unstoppable, and only taking 5 or 6 shots.

Just my take.
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I had this discussion last night. Henderson can be phenomenal. He is a pure shooter, who can get hot on any given night, and that roll is hard to stop. But, he can't beat good teams by himself. Buckner and Holloway were huge inside last year when OM made their run.

Now, you were comparing him to McRae. McRae can't win by himself either. I think they both equally take wild shots, but the difference is Henderson seems to make more than McRae. I will point you to last year's UGA game on the road as to an example when McRae can get hot (even though we lost). McRae went on a great run last year. I am not sure if we really have to decide if one is better than the other- just enjoy both during their last year. Obviously, as a Vol, I will root for McRae more, and I think his head is on straight.
 
#80
#80
bleedingTNorange said:
C'mon you're smarter than that. They're predictable man, somehow always missing after wins.
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Much the same way the fighting Martins go missing after debacles like the one displayed at Florida??

I give credit where it's due, and obviously CCM had the guys ready to play what could've easily been an ugly loss. Most impressive was the way we answered their run in the 2nd half. This team a month ago would've folded like a cheap tent when they cut it to 5 or so, but instead answered the run the way a talented and veteran team should!

Now...the question is can they carry the momentum forward and handle bama the way they should?
 
#81
#81
Still not a CCM fan, but that was a well coached and played game versus Ole Miss. Just hope that it continues and our bench keeps providing valuable minutes as well. Great Win!
 
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#83
everyone played a helluva game. Stokes was a monster but needs to be more explosive to the rim consistently. I agree with the point about thompson starting, the kid really displayed his potential throughout the night.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I had this discussion last night. Henderson can be phenomenal. He is a pure shooter, who can get hot on any given night, and that roll is hard to stop. But, he can't beat good teams by himself. Buckner and Holloway were huge inside last year when OM made their run.

Now, you were comparing him to McRae. McRae can't win by himself either. I think they both equally take wild shots, but the difference is Henderson seems to make more than McRae. I will point you to last year's UGA game on the road as to an example when McRae can get hot (even though we lost). McRae went on a great run last year. I am not sure if we really have to decide if one is better than the other- just enjoy both during their last year. Obviously, as a Vol, I will root for McRae more, and I think his head is on straight.
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McCrae shot a better percentage than Henderson last night. In fact, his whole stat line was better.
 
#87
#87
kell7517 said:
Still not a CCM fan, but that was a well coached and played game versus Ole Miss. Just hope that it continues and our bench keeps providing valuable minutes as well. Great Win!
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Is this sarcasm.
Missed the bench performance. Maybe a little D.
Could be worst in conference.
 
#88
#88
Im neither a Tennessee or Ole Miss basketball fan, but IMO, Henderson is one of the best pure shooters in College basketball. Does he act a fool and say and do some stupid crap? YES, but he's still a great player. However, ole miss has no rebounding and if he doesnt make every shot he takes( which he doesn't ) they are screwed. Just my take from the game.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm always here, never run away win/lose, can't say that for some people. If that's being predictable, well then I'm happy to be.
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It's the same stuff every post game. It's either "I told you so. Y'all are stupid" type BS with a win or a "we are still tourney bound CCM is never at fault" with a loss.

Like I've said already, CCM has until the selection committee end their last time card for me to endorse him to be fired so I'm not one of your "negatives" that appears for a loss only.

The reason you never see my SN between games can be seen in the first paragraph.
 
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utvols88 said:
It's the same stuff every post game. It's either "I told you so. Y'all are stupid" type BS with a win or a "we are still tourney bound CCM is never at fault" with a loss.

Like I've said already, CCM has until the selection committee end their last time card for me to endorse him to be fired so I'm not one of your "negatives" that appears for a loss only.

The reason you never see my SN between games can be seen in the first paragraph.
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I think he should be gone make it or not.
A Minnesota /Tubby like deal.
Pay the bucks and get someone who can coach.
ain't gonna happen though.
 
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#91
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bleedingTNorange said:
How many times have I said this.

I don't post in the game threads regardless. I'm on this board win or lose, if you haven't figured that out by now that's your problem.
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That's very interesting considering that you posted 10 times in the Ole Miss game thread and zero in the Florida game thread. Pretty easy to look up.

Just saying.
 
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VonVol said:
That's very interesting considering that you posted 10 times in the Ole Miss game thread and zero in the Florida game thread. Pretty easy to look up.

Just saying.
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He doesn't post during the game. If you look at when he post you might figure that out.
 
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#93
The fighting martins are very good at what they do. Script follows something like this:

1) Talk CCM & team up during Fball season with threads like 'only 57 days until bball season' after a miserable football loss.
2) Talk about the potential of this team and how anything less than a Sweet 16 would be disappointing.
3) Once season gets started and team doesn't appear to be all that, start slowly lowering expectations by talking about 'RPI' and comparing CCM's record to CBP's.

That being said...I'm not calling for CCM to be fired, or pulling against this team. However, if they fail to make noise in the tourney (not the NIT), then one has to seriously consider the path this program is on.

To all the fighting martins out there, I would ask the following: Do you honestly feel like this program is headed in the right direction after 3 years of CCM at the controls??
 
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#94
lostsheep said:
The fighting martins are very good at what they do. Script follows something like this:

1) Talk CCM & team up during Fball season with threads like 'only 57 days until bball season' after a miserable football loss.
2) Talk about the potential of this team and how anything less than a Sweet 16 would be disappointing.
3) Once season gets started and team doesn't appear to be all that, start slowly lowering expectations by talking about 'RPI' and comparing CCM's record to CBP's.

That being said...I'm not calling for CCM to be fired, or pulling against this team. However, if they fail to make noise in the tourney (not the NIT), then one has to seriously consider the path this program is on.

To all the fighting martins out there, I would ask the following: Do you honestly feel like this program is headed in the right direction after 3 years of CCM at the controls??
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Lmaoo you got 2 and 3 confused with the Bruce Pearl praisers 😂😂😂
 
#95
#95
lostsheep said:
The fighting martins are very good at what they do. Script follows something like this:

1) Talk CCM & team up during Fball season with threads like 'only 57 days until bball season' after a miserable football loss.
2) Talk about the potential of this team and how anything less than a Sweet 16 would be disappointing.
3) Once season gets started and team doesn't appear to be all that, start slowly lowering expectations by talking about 'RPI' and comparing CCM's record to CBP's.

That being said...I'm not calling for CCM to be fired, or pulling against this team. However, if they fail to make noise in the tourney (not the NIT), then one has to seriously consider the path this program is on.

To all the fighting martins out there, I would ask the following: Do you honestly feel like this program is headed in the right direction after 3 years of CCM at the controls??
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Most fail to remember that this team was a preseason AP #26.
The excuses started as early as the UTEP loss.
Even had some nuts saying it was a blessing in disguise.
From what I saw last night, this team should be ranked and waltzing into the dance.
If you can only get your team up to play like that, last was LSU, every 5 games or so, take up flipping hamburgers.
 
#96
#96
SJAVol32 said:
He doesn't post during the game. If you look at when he post you might figure that out.
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If you had basic reading comprehension you would see that he said he doesn't post in the game threads regardless. I would assume that would mean once the game had been won or lost. He posted 10 times in the Ole Miss thread after they won and zero in the UF thread after they lost. So his post about people disappearing after the team wins is a bit hypocritical.
 
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#97
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VonVol said:
If you had basic reading comprehension you would see that he said he doesn't post in the game threads win or lose. I would assume that would mean once the game had been won or lost. He posted 10 times in the Ole Miss thread after they won and zero in the UF thread after they lost. So his post about people disappearing after the team wins is a bit hypocritical.
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Ok big guy.
 
#98
#98
VonVol said:
That's very interesting considering that you posted 10 times in the Ole Miss game thread and zero in the Florida game thread. Pretty easy to look up.

Just saying.
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Go ahead, I'm fairly confident you're incorrect. Excluding, pregame, halftime and post game....pull the posts from between 8pm-10pm yesterday from me.

I'll wait...
 
#99
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VonVol said:
If you had basic reading comprehension you would see that he said he doesn't post in the game threads regardless. I would assume that would mean once the game had been won or lost. He posted 10 times in the Ole Miss thread after they won and zero in the UF thread after they lost. So his post about people disappearing after the team wins is a bit hypocritical.
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You're clearly the one lacking reading comprehension.

I post in the game threads, but not DURING the game, which was the original point if you look back.
 
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#100
Looks like Freak's going to have to sticky a new thread and call it 'Go here to whine about BTO.'
 
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