The Latitude 35 Postgame Report.

#51
#51
bleedorange0037 said:
We might as well sit back and enjoy what little time we have left with these guys while we can. I know they've been frustrating this season, but next week will likely bring down the final curtain on what has been the best run in the history of UT basketball. Harris and Hopson are probably gone after this season, add Brian Williams and Melvin Goins to that and we will literally have no returning contributers next season. Add the likely departure of Pearl and his staff, and it looks very likely that UT basketball is headed right back out to wander in our long time place in the college basketball desert. I'm not in the camp that thinks nobody but Pearl can win here, but I have literally no faith in MH to make a good hire. Either way, the last 6 years have been great, and I'm just going to enjoy what little bit there is left come next week.
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Best post I have read on here. Not negative but very sound thinking.

MH made a good hire in Bruce but I think it was mostly made due to Grunfeld.
Guess we'll see what happens.
 
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#53
#53
kw7pd4 said:
Best post I have read on here. Not negative but very sound thinking.

MH made a good hire in Bruce but I think it was mostly made due to Grunfeld and Peyton.
Guess we'll see what happens.
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Peyton, huh?
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#54
#54
It really comes down to a lie ruining our program. The violations were not a big deal, but the lie was.

The good points....Tobias may not leave. Something inside me wants to think that he will be around at least 1 more year. Hopson...I don't really care. Luckily...we have Ware and Jones hopefully to come in and contribute.

I hope that UT rebounds from this. Bruce has brought some good and even great years to our program. I hope that if he is truly gone, that the next coach is a solid hire who can bring the same energy and passion to the program that Bruce did. Either way, I'll still root them on with the same intensity I always have.

Go Vols, and best of luck in the tournament (if we make it there)
 
#55
#55
I find hatvol's man crush on Kevin O'neil hysterical considering he was the most arrogant foul mouthed yankee dbag that has ever graced a Tennessee locker room.Noone in the Athletic Dept. liked him and he was a jerk.His wife attacks a 70 year old man in the hotel lobby and you call out Pat Hayden.Thats classic and does not surprise me one bit.However your other analysis seemed pretty tight.
 
#56
#56
TNHopeful505 said:
It really comes down to a lie ruining our program. The violations were not a big deal, but the lie was.

The good points....Tobias may not leave. Something inside me wants to think that he will be around at least 1 more year. Hopson...I don't really care. Luckily...we have Ware and Jones hopefully to come in and contribute.

I hope that UT rebounds from this. Bruce has brought some good and even great years to our program. I hope that if he is truly gone, that the next coach is a solid hire who can bring the same energy and passion to the program that Bruce did. Either way, I'll still root them on with the same intensity I always have.

Go Vols, and best of luck in the tournament (if we make it there)
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Whoever it is....

If he wins, nothing else will matter.

If he doesn't, nothing else will save him.
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#58
#58
Tenacious D said:
Whoever it is....

If he wins, nothing else will matter.

If he doesn't, nothing else will save him.
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If he wins, I think that means he's brought energy and passion. You don't win without it. Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping we get this one right.
 
#60
#60
Scottyhop said:
I don't understand. You obviously liked the Bruce hire so why don't you think MH can get another good coach. We have a lot more to offer this time around then we did when we hired Bruce. Good point on enjoying the end of a great run. Hopefully we can string together a couple wins in the tournament.
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Because the Pearl hire has proven to be the one anomaly on a track record that is essentially a who's who of bad coaching hires. Just because he lucked into one good hire doesn't negate all the bad ones he's made. His personnel decisions have all but killed our football program. When Pearl was hired, Hamilton would have had to strike out on an epic level to make the basketball program even worse than it was. As it turns out, Pearl led us to highs that even the most optimistic people might not have dreamed of. This time around things will be different. Bruce's success has driven fan expectations so high that IMO some are unrealistic given UT's place in the college basketball landscape.

Between holding on to Fulmer too long, hiring Kiffin, watching him leave, and then making things worse with the knee-jerk Dooley hire, Hamilton has managed to turn a once top-10 football program into a mid to lower-tier SEC team. That's why I have no faith no faith in him hiring a good basketball coach. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn on occasion, and apparently Pearl was Mike Hamilton's acorn.
 
#64
#64
bleedorange0037 said:
Because the Pearl hire has proven to be the one anomaly on a track record that is essentially a who's who of bad coaching hires. Just because he lucked into one good hire doesn't negate all the bad ones he's made. His personnel decisions have all but killed our football program. When Pearl was hired, Hamilton would have had to strike out on an epic level to make the basketball program even worse than it was. As it turns out, Pearl led us to highs that even the most optimistic people might not have dreamed of. This time around things will be different. Bruce's success has driven fan expectations so high that IMO some are unrealistic given UT's place in the college basketball landscape.

Between holding on to Fulmer too long, hiring Kiffin, watching him leave, and then making things worse with the knee-jerk Dooley hire, Hamilton has managed to turn a once top-10 football program into a mid to lower-tier SEC team. That's why I have no faith no faith in him hiring a good basketball coach. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn on occasion, and apparently Pearl was Mike Hamilton's acorn.
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MH didn't have a choice on Fulmer, wasn't his call. He was only able to fire him when it was painfully obvious even to the money Fulmerites that Fulmer was ruining the program. MH took a flyer on what turned out to be an outstanding staff but it blew up. Desperate times...

If MH survives the likely Pearl firing, we'll see if he can strike gold again with the BBall hire, or according to Hat, fools gold. :p
 
#65
#65
bleedorange0037 said:
We might as well sit back and enjoy what little time we have left with these guys while we can. I know they've been frustrating this season, but next week will likely bring down the final curtain on what has been the best run in the history of UT basketball. Harris and Hopson are probably gone after this season, add Brian Williams and Melvin Goins to that and we will literally have no returning contributers next season. Add the likely departure of Pearl and his staff, and it looks very likely that UT basketball is headed right back out to wander in our long time place in the college basketball desert. I'm not in the camp that thinks nobody but Pearl can win here, but I have literally no faith in MH to make a good hire. Either way, the last 6 years have been great, and I'm just going to enjoy what little bit there is left come next week.
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This is the part that drives me a little crazy. Imagine the cookout never happens; the coverup never happens. Nobody on the board is calling for Pearl's head. What the hell was his plan going to be for next year? This team is going to regress badly regardless of what happens.
 
#66
#66
Vercingetorix said:
This is the part that drives me a little crazy. Imagine the cookout never happens; the coverup never happens. Nobody on the board is calling for Pearl's head. What the hell was his plan going to be for next year? This team is going to regress badly regardless of what happens.
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I believe that without the distraction that this teams record would be somewhat better.I also feel that without looming sanctions our recruiting would have progressed as well but it does look bleak.
 
#67
#67
Vercingetorix said:
This is the part that drives me a little crazy. Imagine the cookout never happens; the coverup never happens. Nobody on the board is calling for Pearl's head. What the hell was his plan going to be for next year? This team is going to regress badly regardless of what happens.
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I suppose the argument could be made that if we were afforded a full on recruiting effort this year, we could have signed some big time players that could have contributed immediately. Basketball is the one game where truly elite freshmen can come in and be stars from the second the set foot on the court. Just look at UK last season.

Now would that have happened? Probably not. Like you said, we were probably going to be in for a pretty rough year next year either way.
 
#69
#69
Absolutely no way Scotty makes it in the NBA...ball handling is atrocious and he does not show any toughness..how many times do u see him get on the floor for a loose ball?? ...raw talent can only get u so far
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#70
#70
VolinDawgland said:
MH didn't have a choice on Fulmer, wasn't his call. He was only able to fire him when it was painfully obvious even to the money Fulmerites that Fulmer was ruining the program. MH took a flyer on what turned out to be an outstanding staff but it blew up. Desperate times...

If MH survives the likely Pearl firing, we'll see if he can strike gold again with the BBall hire, or according to Hat, fools gold. :p
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I would have a hard time even being able to make a case for why he deserved to continue his employment if Pearl is fired. From a personnel standpoint, what has he done that is positve? So far Pearl is the only thing he can hang his hat on, and if that ends in Pearl being terminated for major violations, he would have literally done nothing right in that facet of the AD job. I know he has managed to raise a lot of money, but swinging and missing on every hire you make in your tenure as AD, that's pretty bad, especially when you consider the money UT has to potentially attract top coaches.
 
#71
#71
P8N4Heisman said:
Absolutely no way Scotty makes it in the NBA...ball handling is atrocious and he does not show any toughness..how many times do u see him get on the floor for a loose ball?? ...raw talent can only get u so far
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He's definitely got the talent and made a few steals tonight but he struggled tonight and is inconsistent.He can play in the league but I sure hope him and Tobias return but highly unlikely.
 
#72
#72
bleedorange0037 said:
I would have a hard time even being able to make a case for why he deserved to continue his employment if Pearl is fired. From a personnel standpoint, what has he done that is positve? So far Pearl is the only thing he can hang his hat on, and if that ends in Pearl being terminated for major violations, he would have literally done nothing right in that facet of the AD job. I know he has managed to raise a lot of money, but swinging and missing on every hire you make in your tenure as AD, that's pretty bad, especially when you consider the money UT has to potentially attract top coaches.
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Time might be on his side. If Hammy fires Pearl, we don't have time to go hire a new AD before we find a new basketball coach. So he gets to make the new hire, and it would need to be good.
 
#73
#73
Incipient said:
Time might be on his side. If Hammy fires Pearl, we don't have time to go hire a new AD before we find a new basketball coach. So he gets to make the new hire, and it would need to be good.
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I honestly don't think Hamilton will fire him though. He's got to be aware that letting Pearl go will all but seal his own fate as well. Hamilton has already shown during LK's departure that being proactive is not his strong suit anyway. He'll most likely wait for the chips to fall from the NCAA infractions committee over the summer, and then react in whatever way he is forced to at that time.
 
#74
#74
I dont think Pearl is the end all be all of UT basketball.I also dont think there are a lot of great coaches out there either.I have yet to hear a good suggestion on a solid possible hire.
 
#75
#75
bleedorange0037 said:
I honestly don't think Hamilton will fire him though. He's got to be aware that letting Pearl go will all but seal his own fate as well. Hamilton has already shown during LK's departure that being proactive is not his strong suit anyway. He'll most likely wait for the chips to fall from the NCAA infractions committee over the summer, and then react in whatever way he is forced to at that time.
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Which is, of course, the absolute worst thing he can possibly do and will set our program back years barring a miracle.

If he actually makes a move in the next couple weeks, I might have hope for him, though perhaps only a fool's hope.
 
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