The Liberal Argument for a Higher Minimum Wage

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utvolpj said:
Then why did you jump in the conversation that mentioned testing? I understand how school works. Seems you wanted to jump in on me so bad that you ignored the subject. Try reading the posts you choose to quote and this message board thing gets easier.
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Testing and standardized testing are not the same and I could care less about the standardized part. My concern is how my kids are going to do when they compete with India and China, not other American kids. My bar is not American kids.


Also please don’t make this personal.
 
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NEOCON said:
Testing and standardized testing are not the same and I could care less about the standardized part. My concern is how my kids are going to do when they compete with India and China, not other American kids. My bar is not American kids.


Also please don’t make this personal.
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If you don't want to discuss it then why quote my posts discussing it? If your school is so good then your kids will be competitive. The data proves that out as I've mentioned earlier
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Math is math. There's one way to do it, the simplest way.
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That's the part that gets me. Doing any math equation is about simplifying the problem down to an answer. If you arent simplifying you arent solving. Common core, at least as shown in that video, is complicating things. It's literally the opposite of what math should be doing
 
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utvolpj said:
If you don't want to discuss it then why quote my posts discussing it? If your school is so good then your kids will be competitive. The data proves that out as I've mentioned earlier
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Competitive is not my idea of successful.

You know my wife is Asian. I know you know this.

She isn’t geared towards competitive. She is geared towards straight As and comparing our kids education to who they will actually be going against.

My kids speak three languages and are working on learning a fourth. This isn’t special to her. It’s expected. I am actually considered the fun parent because she is so over the top.

This is the same with every Asian family I know too.

My whole point is the education system here has been dumbed down drastically. Kids getting As here think they are prepared and hsve no clue they are about to face kids from India and China who are going to run rings around them.
 
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NEOCON said:
My whole point is the education system here has been dumbed down drastically. Kids getting As here think they are prepared and hsve no clue they are about to face kids from India and China who are going to run rings around them.
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except all the data I've seen shows this to be incorrect. Guess back to those pesky test scores I mentioned
 
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utvolpj said:
Everyone does not approach a problem in the same manner therefore there is no single "simplest way"
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Its math. There literally is a simplest way. And it's probably what most of us were taught. Or at least it is the simplest means available.

It may not be the best way for certain individuals to learn but you are arguing the exceptions to make the rule for math.
 
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utvolpj said:
Everyone does not approach a problem in the same manner therefore there is no single "simplest way"
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Yes, there is. That is the beauty of math and pretty much English grammar. They are very much the same. There is only ONE way to do it correctly. People may understand differently, but the method is the same.
 
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LouderVol said:
Its math. There literally is a simplest way. And it's probably what most of us were taught. Or at least it is the simplest means available.

It may not be the best way for certain individuals to learn but you are arguing the exceptions to make the rule for math.
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There is not one way to solve every problem. Even simple word problems like my son does can be approached in different ways. Eventually you get to a common point but there are steps before that. It's even been demonstrated in this thread that the method used in the video is similar to one used by a person condemning it!

There's a progression in learning math that seems to be getting ignored too. My oldest just finished 1st and I've had to change my approach a couple of times so he can get it. I get why that has to be done in class too

I've seen friends post these crazy common core methods they say they can't understand and I don't get it. This isn't that far off from what we learned
 
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Matt2496 said:
There is always a single simplest way to solve a math problem.
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Even simple problems can have more than one path. When you get into things like proofs there are all kinds of ways

But is it truly that big a deal if it takes someone a few extra steps the first time they learn a new concept? Not sure why the severe pushback other than it's different
 
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utvolpj said:
Even simple problems can have more than one path. When you get into things like proofs there are all kinds of ways

But is it truly that big a deal if it takes someone a few extra steps the first time they learn a new concept? Not sure why the severe pushback other than it's different
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To your last i have said it before and will say it again. The extra steps are literally anti-math. They are literally being taught the wrong way to do something. Yeah sure taking three lefts around a block may get you to the same place, but when one right gets you there too it's pretty easy to say three lefts is wrong.
 
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utvolpj said:
Even simple problems can have more than one path. When you get into things like proofs there are all kinds of ways

But is it truly that big a deal if it takes someone a few extra steps the first time they learn a new concept? Not sure why the severe pushback other than it's different
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You are just arguing to argue. What you are saying is flat out retarded.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You are just arguing to argue. What you are saying is flat out retarded.
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Not at all. There are simply different ways to approach a math problem. Even true for the simplest examples

How do people screech about the condition of schools yet want a one size fits all instruction method? That's what is ridiculous
 
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utvolpj said:
Not at all. There are simply different ways to approach a math problem. Even true for the simplest examples

How do people screech about the condition of schools yet want a one size fits all instruction method? That's what is ridiculous
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Are English and math tought the same? Are any two subjects tought the same?

Math is probably the worst place to try something different. Simply because its math.
 
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LouderVol said:
Are English and math tought the same? Are any two subjects tought the same?

Math is probably the worst place to try something different. Simply because its math.
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If our kids are failing in math as so many in here claim then why would you not try something different? There is more than one way to teach math
 
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I watch a lot of videos on YouTube and found this one fascinating watching a young guy trying to do a simple math problem that I did in my head in a second.

 
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utvolpj said:
If our kids are failing in math as so many in here claim then why would you not try something different? There is more than one way to teach math
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Because it is literally anti math. Why not change all the symbols we teach them for math? Why not try something different right?
 
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