The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[Vol8188]

The problem with your statement is that during the phone call, Brad Raffensperger is explaining to Trump that he is wrong.

The allegations of fraud that Trump was making on the call had already been investigated and de-bunked by the Secretary of State's office. During the call, Trump tries to say that thousands of dead people had voted. Raffensperger corrects him, and says that the actual number was only 4. Trump won't listen to that. He continues to state that voter fraud occurred, as though it was an established fact, when just the opposite was true.

Trump was repeatedly told that his allegations had already been investigated and thoroughly discredited ... and yet, Trump continues to insist that Raffensperger needs to take action. The action had already been taken. Trump would have none of it, and persisted that Raffensperger wasn't doing his job - and that could lead to trouble for him.

Being wrong nor disagreeable is a crime

 

[davethevol]

I think Coulter may have something here….
You're Being Played, Republicans!

I’ve seen that theory floated a few times. I’m not sure if it’s true or not, but it does seem like a possibility.

 

[hUTch2002]

Sorry ... didn't realize you were so important.

I walked my dog earlier.

At this moment, I'm just chilling in my living room in Knoxville ... in my favorite pair of boxer shorts ... drinking Crown and Coke and posting messages on VolNation that an important person is responding to.

I’m reporting you for this post. You’re putting bad images in my head!

 

[LouderVol]

The problem with your statement is that during the phone call, Brad Raffensperger is explaining to Trump that he is wrong.

The allegations of fraud that Trump was making on the call had already been investigated and de-bunked by the Secretary of State's office. During the call, Trump tries to say that thousands of dead people had voted. Raffensperger corrects him, and says that the actual number was only 4. Trump won't listen to that. He continues to state that voter fraud occurred, as though it was an established fact, when just the opposite was true.

Trump was repeatedly told that his allegations had already been investigated and thoroughly discredited ... and yet, Trump continues to insist that Raffensperger needs to take action. The action had already been taken. Trump would have none of it, and persisted that Raffensperger wasn't doing his job - and that could lead to trouble for him.

Funny how the stance, from both parties, changes on Raffensperger based on the context around Trump.

 

[RockyTop140]

I’ve seen that theory floated a few times. I’m not sure if it’s true or not, but it does seem like a possibility.

Either way, I think even if the dems don’t want him as the front runner, it’d probably be best for them. I think Trump did some good things, but he is too polarizing. It’s just not good for our country. We need somebody with a clean slate who can act like an adult.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Either way, I think even if the dems don’t want him as the front runner, it’d probably be best for them. I think Trump did some good things, but he is too polarizing. It’s just not good for our country. We need somebody with a clean slate who can act like an adult.

Liz Cheney

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Yeah it does actually. There's a big difference between medical necessity and correcting a mistake from the previous night of being a slut.

Nope, I view it as a right belonging to the woman.

 

[luthervol]

No, it's in the Roy Cohn documentaries.


It is very telling and explains an awful lot, that Roy Cohn was Donald Trump's mentor and best friend.

And his his chosen political advisors were Bannon, Stone, and Manafort. If that doesn't tell a person all they need to know, then that person obviously is doing their best not to hear.

How can anyone actually process that fact and still say, "yea, Trump is someone I want to support"?

 

[luthervol]

The actual intent of the person conveying the message would obviously mean more.

Of course, and he will obviously lie through his teeth about his intent. BUT the Sec. of State has no reason to lie.

 

[turbovol]

Anybody who still supports or sympathizes with the deeply sinister and deeply corrupt gangster known as trump should seek counseling
and medication, seriously. He is a sick and dangerous man who will say or do anything to promote himself--including attack all the bedrock
institutions in this country. We're talking about a man who, as president, lied blatantly about election fraud for weeks, tried to subvert the election,
then incited an attack on the U.S. Capitol (as president!) that resulted in eight or nine deaths. And there are people who still support this man?
He should be in prison.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Every Trump Related thread on Volnation is the Same

WASH, RINSE & REPEAT.

Nothing new except 1 indictment and more than likely 3 more in the works, with a couple of civil lawsuits thrown in.

 

[Orangeburst]

Anybody who still supports or sympathizes with the deeply sinister and deeply corrupt gangster known as trump should seek counseling
and medication, seriously. He is a sick and dangerous man who will say or do anything to promote himself--including attack all the bedrock
institutions in this country. We're talking about a man who, as president, lied blatantly about election fraud for weeks, tried to subvert the election,
then incited an attack on the U.S. Capitol (as president!) that resulted in eight or nine deaths. And there are people who still support this man?
He should be in prison.

How did he incite an attack?

 

[C-south]

A person can always lie about what their intentions were, especially when they choose their words as carefully as Donald Trump does. If there is one thing Trump does consistently well and prolifically ... It is tell lies.

The person receiving the message can also exaggerate what they thought the intent was or lie as well.

 

[C-south]

Of course, and he will obviously lie through his teeth about his intent. BUT the Sec. of State has no reason to lie.

Lol ok

 

[Sandman 423]

I actually provided the context. He’s talking about votes he claims were shredded. Is it bad to want those found?

The media has 100% misrepresented the conversation

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html

https://ix.cnn.io/audio/20210102-trump-raffensperger-phone-call.mp3
So here is the actual call. It doesn't sound like he is asking for anything dubious. If the entire call was just the last few seconds where he says " I just want he truth to come out", He would look a lot better, but instead he comes off as a twat waffle.

 

[luthervol]

Lol ok

What was/is his motivation to lie?

 

[OrangeBoro]

Anybody who still supports or sympathizes with the deeply sinister and deeply corrupt gangster known as trump should seek counseling
and medication, seriously. He is a sick and dangerous man who will say or do anything to promote himself--including attack all the bedrock
institutions in this country. We're talking about a man who, as president, lied blatantly about election fraud for weeks, tried to subvert the election,
then incited an attack on the U.S. Capitol (as president!) that resulted in eight or nine deaths. And there are people who still support this man?
He should be in prison.

Only 1 person was killed and that was a result from that worthless thug Michael Byrd

 

[hog88]

Anybody who still supports or sympathizes with the deeply sinister and deeply corrupt gangster known as trump should seek counseling
and medication, seriously. He is a sick and dangerous man who will say or do anything to promote himself--including attack all the bedrock
institutions in this country. We're talking about a man who, as president, lied blatantly about election fraud for weeks, tried to subvert the election,
then incited an attack on the U.S. Capitol (as president!) that resulted in eight or nine deaths. And there are people who still support this man?
He should be in prison.

What are you considering our "bedrock institutions"?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

You going on polling or is that your opinion?

Polling and historical tendencies.

A President with the approval and economic numbers of Biden does not get re-elected typically. The Ds know that. The only way the Ds have the WH in 2025 is if the Rs nominate someone who can't get the independent vote. Trump is that person.

Trump and Trump backed candidates have lost due to accelerated underperformance with suburban independent voters in 18, 20, 22 battleground states. TThere is no path to victory for Trump without reversing this trend with Independents in Atlanta, Philly, Minny, Milwaukee, Detroit suburbs and Clark (NV) and Maricopa County. This is a nationwide problem for Trump but it's the difference between winning and losing in GA, NV, AZ, MN, WI, MI, PA...

 

[BowlBrother85]

https://ix.cnn.io/audio/20210102-trump-raffensperger-phone-call.mp3
So here is the actual call. It doesn't sound like he is asking for anything dubious. If the entire call was just the last few seconds where he says " I just want he truth to come out", He would look a lot better, but instead he comes off as a twat waffle.

Trump knew better than to specifically state what it was that he wanted Raffensperger to do, and he knows how to cover his butt during conversations such as this ...

.... and once again, if Trump had truly only been interested in uncovering voter fraud, he would not have focused so heavily on his margin of defeat (11,779) throughout the call. The purpose of Trump's call to Raffensperger was not to prompt Raffensperger to conduct an investigation into his claims of fraud, which Trump knew the Georgia Secretary of State's office had already done. The purpose of the call was to overturn the outcome of his defeat in Georgia.

 

[volgr]

Polling and historical tendencies.

A President with the approval and economic numbers of Biden does not get re-elected typically. The Ds know that. The only way the Ds have the WH in 2025 is if the Rs nominate someone who can't get the independent vote. Trump is that person.

Trump and Trump backed candidates have lost due to accelerated underperformance with suburban independent voters in 18, 20, 22 battleground states. TThere is no path to victory for Trump without reversing this trend with Independents in Atlanta, Philly, Minny, Milwaukee, Detroit suburbs and Clark (NV) and Maricopa County. This is a nationwide problem for Trump but it's the difference between winning and losing in GA, NV, AZ, MN, WI, MI, PA...

I dont necessarily disagree with most of that, but the doubled edge sword is, if Trump isnt on the ticket vs lets say DeSantis, you lose a small % of minority voters and a significant % of blue collar workers. Rich Baris just ran an interesting poll that showed there are a significant portion of Trump only voters vs DeSantis only. Meaning, if DeSantis isnt on the ticket more of his voters would be willing to vote Trump vs the opposite. And if you were to throw in a Pompeo, Haley or Pence type, it is much worse.

Any poll showing Trump or DeSantis having a wide lead vs Biden shouldnt be trusted. Just look at the mid-term results. GOP should have cleaned house considering the state of the economy and they had a very favorable map. GOP has to decide what they want to be as a Party because right now I think they are trying to please all sides of their base and are ultimately just pissing a lot of the base off.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Polling and historical tendencies.

A President with the approval and economic numbers of Biden does not get re-elected typically. The Ds know that. The only way the Ds have the WH in 2025 is if the Rs nominate someone who can't get the independent vote. Trump is that person.

Trump and Trump backed candidates have lost due to accelerated underperformance with suburban independent voters in 18, 20, 22 battleground states. TThere is no path to victory for Trump without reversing this trend with Independents in Atlanta, Philly, Minny, Milwaukee, Detroit suburbs and Clark (NV) and Maricopa County. This is a nationwide problem for Trump but it's the difference between winning and losing in GA, NV, AZ, MN, WI, MI, PA...

Exactly right.

If it's Biden vs Trump? The state of the economy wouldn't even be brought up. The entire focus shifts to Trump.

Trump also has a way of galvanizing Democratic Party turnout. I don't think the electoral college map would change at all from 2020 ... but if it did, it would just be Georgia and Arizona flipping to Trump's column, which still leaves him short of 270 electoral votes. There is no way in hell that Trump is winning Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, Minnesota or Wisconsin in the 2024 Presidential General Election.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I dont necessarily disagree with most of that, but the doubled edge sword is, if Trump isnt on the ticket vs lets say DeSantis, you lose a small % of minority voters and a significant % of blue collar workers. Rich Baris just ran an interesting poll that showed there are a significant portion of Trump only voters vs DeSantis only. Meaning, if DeSantis isnt on the ticket more of his voters would be willing to vote Trump vs the opposite. And if you were to throw in a Pompeo, Haley or Pence type, it is much worse.

Any poll showing Trump or DeSantis having a wide lead vs Biden shouldnt be trusted. Just look at the mid-term results. GOP should have cleaned house considering the state of the economy and they had a very favorable map. GOP has to decide what they want to be as a Party because right now I think they are trying to please all sides of their base and are ultimately just pissing a lot of the base off.

I think DeSantis would flip back AZ, GA, and NV. I don't disagree with your blue collar thoughts but with this economy, I think the upper Midwest is in play for Rs. I would suspect the Rs would make it as much about a referendum about Kamala and she's just not popular in those states...

 

[Sandman 423]

Trump knew better than to specifically state what it was that he wanted Raffensperger to do, and he knows how to cover his butt during conversations such as this ...

.... and once again, if Trump had truly only been interested in uncovering voter fraud, he would not have focused so heavily on his margin of defeat (11,779) throughout the call. The purpose of Trump's call to Raffensperger was not to prompt Raffensperger to conduct an investigation into his claims of fraud, which Trump knew the Georgia Secretary of State's office had already done. The purpose of the call was to overturn the outcome of his defeat in Georgia.

That wasn't in the call. You can't listen to that call and come away with that unless it is what you were going to hear no matter what was said. Sounded like a pathetic loser looking for some one to agree with him,imo.

 

[volgr]

Trump knew better than to specifically state what it was that he wanted Raffensperger to do, and he knows how to cover his butt during conversations such as this ...

.... and once again, if Trump had truly only been interested in uncovering voter fraud, he would not have focused so heavily on his margin of defeat (11,779) throughout the call. The purpose of Trump's call to Raffensperger was not to prompt Raffensperger to conduct an investigation into his claims of fraud, which Trump knew the Georgia Secretary of State's office had already done. The purpose of the call was to overturn the outcome of his defeat in Georgia.

See, I jokingly said, you have to play the call backward and you can hear Trump say worship the devil...but this is basically what the Left is doing.

Seriously, this is ridiculous. He brings up 11k voter difference because it is so significantly small that it can be easily overcome with even the faintest hint of fraud. Had GA performed a rigorous signature verification, it is very likely Trump wins. Now, it is largely Trump's fault this didnt happen because he had lawyers on the ground in GA working with Raffensburger (see Robert Barnes who has gone over this in detail) and other election officials to make this happen...and then Sidney Powell starts in on the ghost of Hugo Chavez, Dominion and secret servers in Germany and that was that. Turd in the punchbowl was dropped, game over.

edit to add: dont forget the visual of Rudy sweating hair dye as well. Total clown show that stifled any hope of legitimate contests.