The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[BowlBrother85]

where was the coercion? Where was the threat? Of losing his job, physical violence, some sort of payback? You can't start with the premise that anyone is guilty, and then fit the facts to it.

During the call, Trump says to Raffensperger :

"You know what they did and you're not reporting it. You know, that's a criminal -- that's a criminal offense. And you know, you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That's a big risk."

In reality, Raffensperger was not at risk. He had already explained to Trump that his allegations had been investigated and there was no merit to any of them. You might call that a veiled threat ... but it's definitely a threat.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

During the call, Trump says to Raffensperger :

"You know what they did and you're not reporting it. You know, that's a criminal -- that's a criminal offense. And you know, you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That's a big risk."

In reality, Raffensperger was not at risk. He had already explained to Trump that his allegations had been investigated and there was no merit to any of them. You might call that a veiled threat ... but it's definitely a threat.

I'm glad you're in this thread all day and not holding other threads hostage today.

 

[BreatheUT]

I'm glad you're in this thread all day and not holding other threads hostage today.

He's only down to a couple he can post in. He doesn't want to be seen in others that demonstrate just how far down this country has gone in two years. He was laid off from a career job in the first 6 months of the Biden Administration. Now he is on the feeding tube of leftist policies.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

He's only down to a couple he can post in. He doesn't want to be seen in others that demonstrate just how far down this country has gone in two years. He was laid off from a career job in the first 6 months of the Biden Administration. Now he is on the feeding tube of leftist policies.

Why is it necessary to bring up his lay off?

 

[NCFisher]

You should probably check the context again. He literally said they had shredded his votes and he wanted them found

@luthervol The utter nonsense you convince yourself of.

I say let Brad Raffensperger speak to how it was said and what was intended. And remember, he's a hard core repub.

Yeah, but Raff can’t insert meaning that isn’t there, into it anymore than you can.

Trump is quite literally talking about his belief that ballots are being destroyed and hidden, and it’s Raffs job to stop it and recover those votes. He clearly isn’t telling him to manufacture votes; Raff can talk til he’s blue and the context won’t change.

You choose to be duped, and in an endless loop.

 

[BreatheUT]

Why is it necessary to bring up his lay off?

I'm just tying it to this administration. Maybe one has nothing to do with the other.

I will leave it alone. I don't want karma and such.

 

[luthervol]

@luthervol The utter nonsense you convince yourself of.


Yeah, but Raff can’t insert meaning that isn’t there, into it anymore than you can.

Trump is quite literally talking about his belief that ballots are being destroyed and hidden, and it’s Raffs job to stop it and recover those votes. He clearly isn’t telling him to manufacture votes; Raff can talk til he’s blue and the context won’t change.

You choose to be duped, and in an endless loop.

That's absurd. Raff can most certainly speak to the way the message was received.
Most everyone knows how to interpret the message. The grand jury did and the trial jury will.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I'm just tying it to this administration. Maybe one has nothing to do with the other.

I will leave it alone. I don't want karma and such.

It's fine. I take nothing personally on here ... and it doesn't care compare to the things my ex-wife says.

 

[BreatheUT]

It's fine. I take nothing personally on here ... and it doesn't care compare to the things my ex-wife says.

Speaking of....I've learned over the years that I wasn't as smart or mature as I thought I was when I made life choices. My guess is I'm still not. I wonder all the time.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

That's absurd. Raff can most certainly speak to the way the message was received.
Most everyone knows how to interpret the message. The grand jury did and the trial jury will.

A nothing burger you bring to the table.

 

[whodeycin85]

That's absurd. Raff can most certainly speak to the way the message was received.
Most everyone knows how to interpret the message. The grand jury did and the trial jury will.

So your basing your opinion on how Raff felt he was being spoken to instead of the words being used....idgaf if he felt a certain way...there was no threat made. No rational and reasonable person would say that he was threatened. My son "feels" that it's a threat when I explain to him that if his chores are not done he won't have access to wifi..its more of a threat then trump to Raff but neither is a threat by definition. Hence why this is a nothing burger

 

[luthervol]

So your basing your opinion on how Raff felt he was being spoken to instead of the words being used....idgaf if he felt a certain way...there was no threat made. No rational and reasonable person would say that he was threatened. My son "feels" that it's a threat when I explain to him that if his chores are not done he won't have access to wifi..its more of a threat then trump to Raff but neither is a threat by definition. Hence why this is a nothing burger

Most people simply disagree with you. The grand jury and the trial jury will get the ultimate say.
Personally, I easily see it for how it was intended, as a threat.
Trump's actions and comments toward both Kemp and Raff during the 2022 GA elections serve as further proof. Trump once again did himself no favors.

 

[CobbVol]

Maricopa Audit: 11% of Mail-in Ballots Found Defective by Judge in Court Case, Landslide Potential | Evidence 2020 (wordpress.com)

 

[BreatheUT]

Most people simply disagree with you. The gran jury and the trial jury will get the ultimate say.
Personally, I easily see it for how it was intended, as a threat.
Trump's actions and comments toward both Kemp and Raff during the 2022 GA elections serve as further proof. Trump once again did himself no favors.

Who is most people?

 

[Muireadach]

Trump was toast from the last debate to present day and as long as he keeps his carnival of chaos going. Independent voters will never reelect him. The GOP better man up and take on this has-been before they lose another election cycle.

 

[luthervol]

Who is most people?

The majority of the people who have listened to the call and/or read the transcript.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

The majority of the people who have listened to the call and/or read the transcript.

The msm lunatics that hate Trump like you. Lol, that majority of people? Yeah, you're right.

 

[VolStrom]

Most people simply disagree with you. The grand jury and the trial jury will get the ultimate say.
Personally, I easily see it for how it was intended, as a threat.
Trump's actions and comments toward both Kemp and Raff during the 2022 GA elections serve as further proof. Trump once again did himself no favors.

Did Trump weaponize the DoJ and the FBI like Biden has?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

nm.

 

[BreatheUT]

The majority of the people who have listened to the call and/or read the transcript.

Thanks for the solid data.

 

[LouderVol]

Calls from the President to a Secretary of State after an election in effort to overturn his defeat, don't go on every day. Sorry. You are trying to normalize Trump's behavior. It's disgusting.

assumption on your part.

I am not normalizing his behavior. I am just giving him the right to be innocent until proven guilty. You are the one who has found him guilty with no evidence, and based on false assumptions of what was actually said.

 

[whodeycin85]

Most people simply disagree with you. The grand jury and the trial jury will get the ultimate say.
Personally, I easily see it for how it was intended, as a threat.
Trump's actions and comments toward both Kemp and Raff during the 2022 GA elections serve as further proof. Trump once again did himself no favors.

The way your coming at it tho isn't straight forward If you go looking at a situation with a preconceived idea then your will fit what you hear/feel to the idea ignoring thing that counter your idea. Your of the idea orange man bad so anything he says or does has an evil skew to it, while what he is doing is a desperate man believing the election was stolen. but no threats were made....I'll he shocked if it goes anywhere..same place the fake electors scam went.

 

[LouderVol]

During the call, Trump says to Raffensperger :

"You know what they did and you're not reporting it. You know, that's a criminal -- that's a criminal offense. And you know, you can't let that happen. That's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That's a big risk."

In reality, Raffensperger was not at risk. He had already explained to Trump that his allegations had been investigated and there was no merit to any of them. You might call that a veiled threat ... but it's definitely a threat.

no its not. Trump never says he is going to go after Raffensperger for that alleged criminal offense. this is again you putting words into Trump's mouth. You are creating the crime, and then reading into the conversation to put what you want there. Trump saying you can't let a criminal act happen seems like a perfectly legal conversation to be had. It may be weird for a president to have that conversation with Raffensperger, it may be different, but its not criminal.

I have been in plenty of public and private meetings with one official saying to another, or the public/civilian, that something can't be done because its illegal happens a good bit. and that if you do do that, it would be a crime. never once been an issue, and usually its seen as a good thing. its not until Trump doing it that people freak out.

 

[NCFisher]

Most people simply disagree with you. The grand jury and the trial jury will get the ultimate say.
Personally, I easily see it for how it was intended, as a threat.
Trump's actions and comments toward both Kemp and Raff during the 2022 GA elections serve as further proof. Trump once again did himself no favors.

A threat of what? He can’t fire Raff, nor sic DOJ on him. Raff might not like being told he’s not doing his job, and that if he’s ignoring election crime willingly he places himself in legal jeopardy, but that’s an opinion, not a threat.

You’ve a penchant to easily see just that you want to be true.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Now DESANTIS joins Trump in threatening to defund the FBI and DOJ to be defunded: Backlash over Alvin Bragg's prosecution grows as Florida Governor demands Congress 'rein in' federal agencies

Ron DeSantis has joined Donald Trump's call to defund the Justice Department and FBI over its 'weaponization' of the legal system by its investigations of the former president.

The Florida governor also attacked Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who indicted Trump earlier this week, saying 'if we had somebody in Tampa that was trying to pursue that agenda, I'd yanked him from his position.'

In his past couple of public appearances. DeSantis has hammered the legal system, including calling on Congress to defund the two powerful federal agencies, hinting that, if he were president, he wouldn't be afraid to slash their budgets.

'You've also had kind of a trope that a lot of Republican presidents have accepted over the years that DOJ and FBI are, quote, independent of the White House. And first of all, these people have guns, they can put you in jail, saying they're independent means they're unaccountable,' he said.

DeSantis joins Trump in threatening to defund the FBI and DOJ | Daily Mail Online