The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

It seems the former employee who has filed a sexual harassment suit against Giuliani taped some of their conversations. Transcripts from her lawsuit are being published.

What a pitiful perv he has become. What a huge fall from grace. And before anyone wants to spring to his defense, would you want your daughter's boss to treat her like this?
 
Again, what is MAGA? If you can’t define a woman what makes you believe you can define an acronym.

MAGA would primarily include:

1) The insurrectionists at the Capitol on 1/6.
2) People who go to Trump's rallies even now, with all that has come out about him, and nonetheless support him.
3) People who go to other GOP candidates' speeches and boo them of the stage when they call a spade a spade when it comes to Trump.
 
Don't disagree, but Obama used very divisive words and as POTUS it carried a lot of weight. Plus, the "tech industry" supported him immensely.
When an avid student of Marxism gains power and promises to “Fundamentally transform” anything, you best believe him!

Not to mention public education has just been horrific for several generations. Divorce rate is extremely high. Incarceration rates are way too high. And today, we give smartphones to 7 years olds. Yeah bro, we got problems.
 
It seems the former employee who has filed a sexual harassment suit against Giuliani taped some of their conversations. Transcripts from her lawsuit are being published.

What a pitiful perv he has become. What a huge fall from grace. And before anyone wants to spring to his defense, would you want your daughter's boss to treat her like this?

Can you define “this”?
 
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When an avid student of Marxism gains power and promises to “Fundamentally transform” anything, you best believe him!

Not to mention public education has just been horrific for several generations. Divorce rate is extremely high. Incarceration rates are way too high. And today, we give smartphones to 7 years olds. Yeah bro, we got problems.
Completely agree and there were enough dumbasses that he got voted in for a second term. I believe there are even more of them today and the education system has a lot to do with it.
 
MAGA would primarily include:

1) The insurrectionists at the Capitol on 1/6.
2) People who go to Trump's rallies even now, with all that has come out about him, and nonetheless support him.
3) People who go to other GOP candidates' speeches and boo them of the stage when they call a spade a spade when it comes to Trump.
So off that generic example, roughly .5% of the voting population received this defined term of MAGA. Not your best work.
 
MAGA would primarily include:


So off that generic example, roughly .5% of the voting population received this defined term of MAGA. Not your best work.
But sadly not his worst

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Trump can't win the general and the reality is probably no R can.

I think any Republican not named Trump wins. All of these polls seem to have both Trump and Biden in the low 40s, indicating that’s about 16% or so of undecided/swing voters.

I think the reality is the 42% or so are the locked in who will vote red/blue no matter what and the election will be decided by the 16% who want anyone other than Trump/Biden. I’d argue a Tim Scott, Mike Pence, etc wins on the basis of not being Trump/Biden alone. Unless the maga crowd losers stay home and intentionally throw an election (I think he’d openly encourage them, if not out right run as a 3rd party candidate)
 
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The prosecution: this isn’t political

Also the prosecution: we want to get this trial started in the next 60-90 days before the primaries begin

hmmm….

I didn’t think it had started yet. Pretty sure there is a federal statute that requires a trial within a certain number of days (70?) that has to be waived by the defendant. I think it’s standard practice for the prosecution to ask for that in their motion and the defense to ask for longer.
 
I didn’t think it had started yet. Pretty sure there is a federal statute that requires a trial within a certain number of days (70?) that has to be waived by the defendant. I think it’s standard practice for the prosecution to ask for that in their motion and the defense to ask for longer.

Thanks. That I didn’t know. Just felt odd to investigate for over two years and then push for a trial immediately. But if what you’re saying is true, it makes sense.

Thoughts on the charges themselves? I can go through your post history if you’ve already shared. To my knowledge they seem weak
 
I think any Republican not named Trump wins. All of these polls seem to have both Trump and Biden in the low 40s, indicating that’s about 16% or so of undecided/swing voters.

I think the reality is the 42% or so are the locked in who will vote red/blue no matter what and the election will be decided by the 16% who want anyone other than Trump/Biden. I’d argue a Tim Scott, Mike Pence, etc wins on the basis of not being Trump/Biden alone. Unless the maga crowd losers stay home and intentionally throw an election (I think he’d openly encourage them, if not out right run as a 3rd party candidate)

No R is beating Michele Obama.
 
It must be exponentially demoralizing for Donny to realize that an Obama appointed black woman will be his judge.

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Sorry if you’ve already posted it, but what’re your thoughts on these charges?

My legal thought is that the indictment regarding the classified documents is much stronger and clearer. He had them, he was repeatedly asked and then lawfully ordered to return them, and he repeatedly refused. He is alleged to have shown some of them, highly sensitive, to people he had no business showing them to. Then, when subpoenaed for the surveillance tapes in the context of that having occurred, he is alleged to have directed that the surveillance be destroyed.

Legally, if a jury finds those things to be true, he ought to be and will be convicted.

The current charges are going to involve a lot of interpretation. Did he actually know he lost, or just think it? Or think probably but not for sure? Legally, its a lot harder to prove than the documents charge.

Now, morally, the insurrection charges to me are far more serious. At its core, its about Trump using the rioters and his power over state officials to try to stay in power unlawfully. It is hubris at its absolute worst and I genuinely don't think that Trump has enough sense of self to realize what he's doing. He truly feels entitled to have everyone sacrifice themselves, their livelihoods, their careers, for him.

Given his history even prior to being POTUS, that is evident to me. And he will never change. He will never get that sense of introspection. And so even if convicted, sentenced, and it holds up on appeal, he will always insist he did nothing wrong and it was all undeserved.

His inability to understand that is what drives him to do the idiotic things he keeps doing. And it has worked to a point on others who misinterpret it as strength when in reality it is an enormous weakness.
 
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It must be exponentially demoralizing for Donny to realize that an Obama appointed black woman will be his judge.

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It should be knowing he can’t get fair and impartial treatment with her or the rest of the scum people involved
 
My legal thought is that the indictment regarding the classified documents is much stronger and clearer. He had them, he was repeatedly asked and then lawfully ordered to return them, and he repeatedly refused. He is alleged to have shown some of them, highly sensitive, to people he had no business showing them to. Then, when subpoenaed for the surveillance tapes in the context of that having occurred, he is alleged to have directed that the surveillance be destroyed.

Legally, if a jury finds those things to be true, he ought to be and will be convicted.

The current charges are going to involve a lot of interpretation. Did he actually know he lost, or just think it? Or think probably but not for sure? Legally, its a lot harder to prove than the documents charge.

Now, morally, the insurrection charges to me are far more serious. At its core, its about Trump using the rioters and his power over state officials to try to stay in power unlawfully. It is hubris at its absolute worst and I genuinely don't think that Trump has enough sense of self to realize what he's doing. He truly feels entitled to have everyone sacrifice themselves, their livelihoods, their careers, for him.

Given his history even prior to being POTUS, that is evident to me. And he will never change. He will never get that sense of introspection. And so even if convicted, sentenced, and it holds up on appeal, he will always insist he did nothing wrong and it was all undeserved.

His inability to understand that is what drives him to do the idiotic things he keeps doing. And it has worked to a point on others who misinterpret it as strength when in reality is is an enormous weakness.

Agreed on the first. I don’t think he has a chance in the documents case.

I don’t think he has a chance in the most recent case either, but that has nothing to do with my perception of the case.

Do you have an issue with 3 indictments of Biden’s main political opponent and only 1 of 3 seeming to have any actual legs to it?
 
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Now, morally, the insurrection charges to me are far more serious. At its core, its about Trump using the rioters and his power over state officials to try to stay in power unlawfully. It is hubris at its absolute worst and I genuinely don't think that Trump has enough sense of self to realize what he's doing. He truly feels entitled to have everyone sacrifice themselves, their livelihoods, their careers, for him.

Given his history even prior to being POTUS, that is evident to me. And he will never change. He will never get that sense of introspection. And so even if convicted, sentenced, and it holds up on appeal, he will always insist he did nothing wrong and it was all undeserved.

His inability to understand that is what drives him to do the idiotic things he keeps doing. And it has worked to a point on others who misinterpret it as strength when in reality it is an enormous weakness.

there are no insurrection charges
 
Thanks. That I didn’t know. Just felt odd to investigate for over two years and then push for a trial immediately. But if what you’re saying is true, it makes sense.

Thoughts on the charges themselves? I can go through your post history if you’ve already shared. To my knowledge they seem weak
After reading the indictment I think they are a tossup, or that Trump may be favored to win.

He can say he listened to his lawyers, he can say he really believed he won, he can say that he never intended that the fake electoral ballots be submitted unless he won in court and somebody took it upon themselves to do that.

Maybe they have evidence to refute all of that and it just isn’t in the indictment, but just based on what is there those seem like plausible defenses.

Proof and seriousness are two “no ****” metrics for evaluating a criminal case. This is more serious than the Mar-A-Lago case, in my opinion, but less clear that the elements of a crime can be proven.
 
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