The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[Gandalf]

The Trump cult has adopted this joint, breezy "this will be nothing" kind of attitude when just a week ago it was the greatest affront to the Republic since, well, since the Republic.

But now they realize the flip side of that equation. For the FBI and DOJ to have taken such an extraordinary step there must have been a compelling criminal investigatory reason. And now the DOJ is warning that the release of the warrant application would risk exposure of highly classified material and also hamper the criminal investigation.

The Trump cult defense is patently obvious: 1) Anything they say is a lie and a witch hunt, even if its true and points to criminal activity; 2) demand the release of the affidavit, but hedge that its no big deal, no matter what it shows; and last resort 3) if in fact its a major scandal involving clearly criminal conduct by Trump, reserve the right to claim the evidence was planted or manufactured.

So no matter how bad it might be, you have some defense, no matter how pathetically lame it might be.

And all in defense of a guy who was a Democrat until it suited him to switch, is clearly a con artist, sure as heck isn't much of a conservative, lives a lifestyle at odds with the cultural values of your party, and by all accounts laughs behind your back at how gullible you all are.

Complete and utter BS. The reason they will not release the affidavit is likely for one of 2 reasons:
1) they have someone inside Mar Lago that provided info for them, they certainly chose to do it when Trump was not there so they had to know his schedule. Could be secret service too. But that info is surely in the affidavit. Someone had to have had "eyes on" the offending material and was willing to testify to that to bless the fishing expedition.
2) what the materials may have been were insufficiently serious to withstand public scrutiny. Perhaps a case can be made for a technical violation but it might not be something the public would think warrants their actions, otherwise, you can bet it would be leaked to the press.

 

[Orangeburst]

The Trump cult has adopted this joint, breezy "this will be nothing" kind of attitude when just a week ago it was the greatest affront to the Republic since, well, since the Republic.

But now they realize the flip side of that equation. For the FBI and DOJ to have taken such an extraordinary step there must have been a compelling criminal investigatory reason. And now the DOJ is warning that the release of the warrant application would risk exposure of highly classified material and also hamper the criminal investigation.

The Trump cult defense is patently obvious: 1) Anything they say is a lie and a witch hunt, even if its true and points to criminal activity; 2) demand the release of the affidavit, but hedge that its no big deal, no matter what it shows; and last resort 3) if in fact its a major scandal involving clearly criminal conduct by Trump, reserve the right to claim the evidence was planted or manufactured.

So no matter how bad it might be, you have some defense, no matter how pathetically lame it might be.

And all in defense of a guy who was a Democrat until it suited him to switch, is clearly a con artist, sure as heck isn't much of a conservative, lives a lifestyle at odds with the cultural values of your party, and by all accounts laughs behind your back at how gullible you all are.

Just show how radical your party has become really.
As far as laughs behind our backs..you got a link?

 

[Orangeburst]

Complete and utter BS. The reason they will not release the affidavit is likely for one of 2 reasons:
1) they have someone inside Mar Lago that provided info for them, they certainly chose to do it when Trump was not there so they had to know his schedule. Could be secret service too. But that info is surely in the affidavit. Someone had to have had "eyes on" the offending material and was willing to testify to that to bless the fishing expedition.
2) what the materials may have been were insufficiently serious to withstand public scrutiny. Perhaps a case can be made for a technical violation but it might not be something the public would think warrants their actions, otherwise, you can bet it would be leaked to the press.

Guess the culprit is not as courageous as Vindman. You can bet with a Republican House, there will yet another inquiry into Garland and all this..And round and round we go.
This is a big deal and unprecedented and needs open transparency. Redact some names, otherwise America deserves to know.

 

[Vol8188]

So, preventing a foreign agent, actively undermining the country from running again is actually a bad thing? Who knew? Screech on about how taking the democracy part out of our government is somehow a good thing all you want.

Most likely Trump beats the charges and will be back in it in the next election, or maybe his designated successor. The fascist thesis he represents going against the out of touch antithesis of Biden will clear the way for the synthesis, who I think will be Corker.

a foreign agent? Please tell me more.

 

[Vol8188]

The Trump cult has adopted this joint, breezy "this will be nothing" kind of attitude when just a week ago it was the greatest affront to the Republic since, well, since the Republic.

But now they realize the flip side of that equation. For the FBI and DOJ to have taken such an extraordinary step there must have been a compelling criminal investigatory reason. And now the DOJ is warning that the release of the warrant application would risk exposure of highly classified material and also hamper the criminal investigation.

The Trump cult defense is patently obvious: 1) Anything they say is a lie and a witch hunt, even if its true and points to criminal activity; 2) demand the release of the affidavit, but hedge that its no big deal, no matter what it shows; and last resort 3) if in fact its a major scandal involving clearly criminal conduct by Trump, reserve the right to claim the evidence was planted or manufactured.

So no matter how bad it might be, you have some defense, no matter how pathetically lame it might be.

And all in defense of a guy who was a Democrat until it suited him to switch, is clearly a con artist, sure as heck isn't much of a conservative, lives a lifestyle at odds with the cultural values of your party, and by all accounts laughs behind your back at how gullible you all are.

You think maybe the dismissive attitude has anything to do with the fact that y’all have been saying “any day now” for 6 years?

It’s odd to have cried wolf so many times and now blame people for not buying it

 

[Septic]

I don’t even know where the “he can’t run” idea is coming from. He can run from a prison cell if he wanted to.

At least he'll be able to say that he held the largest presidential rally his cell block has ever seen and not be lying about it.

Trump/Bubba 2024

 

[Wireless1]

At least he'll be able to say that he held the largest presidential rally his cell block has ever seen and not be lying about it.

Trump/Bubba 2024

Did Nelson Mandela's popularity and base rise or fall while he was in jail? Sending Trump to jail might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

[Septic]

Did Nelson Mandela's popularity and base rise or fall while he was in jail? Sending Trump to jail might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

I think we should give it a whirl.

While I understand the intent of your question, it just feels icky that Mandela and Trump could be used in the same sentence as martyrs' so cavalierly.

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

a regular citizen will never be allowed to run

Sure they will, they just certainly won’t be allowed to win.

Thinking of running myself. Can’t imagine I’d ever want that headache, but I’d love to piss off the insanely ignorant Democrats and the firmly entrenched self serving Republicans for awhile. Impeachment would be fast and furious after the open bar, whole hog pig roast and live music during my 1st State Of The Union address.

 

[lostsheep]

Maybe it’s not too let for you boys to save him.
Jump in your oversized four wheel drive gas guzzlers, throw that “F##k Biden” flag in the back, and cruise down to the local Wal Mart and raise some hell!!
Surely this will change some minds…

 

[Weezer]

Based on what I am seeing - prepare for a Trump indictment. They have gone so far now, they HAVE to bring one. I'm sure they are going to find something in that pile of docs hastily packed by GSA and shipped to Trump that they will claim is "still classified". And they know it because its been sitting there for 18 months and they have been there on previous visits to catalogue it. I can see on Tucker and others that they are maneuvering to get ahead of it. That likely means their inside sources are telling them what to expect.

This will lead to a Trump indictment, you heard it here. There is almost no other possible path for the Biden admin and the alphabet agencies. That will almost assuredly lead to a conviction by a Democrat Judge in a DC court and almost as likely to be overturned when it reaches this Supreme Court. This has nothing to do with right or wrong, and hardly even the law really, since almost anyone understands this would not even be an issue except that Trump may be running again and could very well win. So let us put away pretenses of why we each believe what should or should not happen but rather to address these actions with the understanding that is a pure amoral grab for power. All the rest are but pasties on the trollop to fool the simple that all is as it should be.

Meanwhile, 2 things will be happening:
1) very hard for Trump to run since theoretically conviction from this offense is a bar to holding federal office (or that will be the argument). His strongest supporters will grow even more enraged but a good number will have some hesitation because what happens if Trump is the candidate but then legally is barred from holding office?
2) this will suck all political air from anyone else who even is thinking of running as news stories will breathlessly give us updates every day. That's on the Republican side at least. Dems will line up to see which progressive poodle can condemn Trump the most virulently.

Perhaps worse still - there is virtually no chance that the alphabets can allow a Republican who is not a corporatist member of the swamp to be elected. If Trump is still running or if Trump is disqualified and DeSantis is the nominee, election cheating will be on a scale even previously unknown and actively assisted by agency leadership (not rank and file) and any assigned operatives. They simply cannot allow them to win because after indicting Trump, there will be enormous pressure on the next GOP president to liquidate the FBI as an agency and reform many of the others. Provided there is a GOP congress, it is likely the votes and appetite will be there for some major agency reform. Even without it, Trump's "Schedule F" initiative makes it possible to basically fire every political appointee and he would be vengeful and ruthless in doing so if elected. DeSantis is likely to be more surgical but use the same mechanism to eliminate every federal employee that he sees as a possible threat to his administration or policy.

This means that once the indictment, I am predicting here, is pushed forward, we will have entered a period where we essentially have a junta run by the federal leo/intelligence agencies (though some would claim we were well on the path in 2020, with the first attempt in 2016). The removal of Trump at any cost is a blatant political power grab. They cannot then let go of it to risk someone may hold them responsible for their actions. The Democratic nominee would simply be the window dressing, though they would have wide latitude on most policy issues. Consider the model long held by places like Pakistan, where there are contentious elections but the real arbiter of power is the Army.

This is a path to a civil uprising once people understand that there can be no real election anymore (which may take more than a single cycle since the media will be selling the election results hard). When the next Jan 6 happens, however, the 1M+ protestors may come fully armed to DC. What will happen then? Meanwhile, our enemies, both China and Russia will use the social media to amplify our dissent. The very social fabric ripped apart.

This is not what I want to happen but once the die is cast, each subsequent step is a logical conclusion for each side to make in their own self interest. It is why we should not have gotten here.

Let us see if I am right about the indictment. For those of you progressive Vols (or anyone else) who claims I am fancifully imaging unreasonable scenarios rather than predicting entrance to the road to hell for our democracy and our country - please be so kind as to share your own expectation of events following if Trump is indeed indicted? and if you expect that will happen?

Indeed, please tell me I am wrong - a hopeful word would be good this morning.

I hope so. I'm here for the political bloodbath this will bring. First the GOP will get revenge, then the Dems will get revenge for the GOP's revenge, and so on and so forth. It would be glorious. I'm all for it.

 

[C-south]

How long was the Muells investigation?

That yielded nothing.

 

[Weezer]

Now I don’t believe there is anyone so despicable that the American voters won’t elect. Child molester? Sure. Mass murderer? Why not? As long as he is willing to lie about and trash immigrants, Muslims, pro choice people, the media and everyone else who disagrees with them, so-called Evangelical Christians will lap it all up and passionately support him.

Right now, I don’t know who I find more disgusting, Trump or his supporters.

This forum has become a right-wing conspiracy theory comedy of errors. A place where mentally ill jokers can come for affirmation.

Plenty of mass murderers have held the office. It's not like we actually have a history of electing the best people. More often than not, we don't.

 

[Weezer]

The Trump cult has adopted this joint, breezy "this will be nothing" kind of attitude when just a week ago it was the greatest affront to the Republic since, well, since the Republic.

But now they realize the flip side of that equation. For the FBI and DOJ to have taken such an extraordinary step there must have been a compelling criminal investigatory reason. And now the DOJ is warning that the release of the warrant application would risk exposure of highly classified material and also hamper the criminal investigation.

The Trump cult defense is patently obvious: 1) Anything they say is a lie and a witch hunt, even if its true and points to criminal activity; 2) demand the release of the affidavit, but hedge that its no big deal, no matter what it shows; and last resort 3) if in fact its a major scandal involving clearly criminal conduct by Trump, reserve the right to claim the evidence was planted or manufactured.

So no matter how bad it might be, you have some defense, no matter how pathetically lame it might be.

And all in defense of a guy who was a Democrat until it suited him to switch, is clearly a con artist, sure as heck isn't much of a conservative, lives a lifestyle at odds with the cultural values of your party, and by all accounts laughs behind your back at how gullible you all are.

You're kidding, right? I mean, they based an entire investigation off of the Steele dossier. They don't need a compelling reason, just an excuse.

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

How long was the Muells investigation?

674 days

Which was exactly 674 days too long.

 

[MG1968]

I think we should give it a whirl.

While I understand the intent of your question, it just feels icky that Mandela and Trump could be used in the same sentence as martyrs' so cavalierly.

Yes, but Mandela was no saint, either.

 

[clarksvol00]

Goodness. Don't ever pretend like the democrats that were pushing the Steele dossier are more prone to rampant speculation and conspiratorial theorizing than the Trump crew.

 

[Weezer]

Goodness. Don't ever pretend like the democrats that were pushing the Steele dossier are more prone to rampant speculation and conspiratorial theorizing than the Trump crew.

Don't pretend that they're not, either.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Goodness. Don't ever pretend like the democrats that were pushing the Steele dossier are more prone to rampant speculation and conspiratorial theorizing than the Trump crew.

Pretty much exactly the same

 

[clarksvol00]

Don't pretend that they're not, either.

Did I?

 

[clarksvol00]

Pretty much exactly the same

Kind of the point I was making.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Kind of the point I was making.

Yes but I made it clear for you.

 

[clarksvol00]

Yes but I made it clear for you.

Thanks. I can see where some of our posters immediately want to assume something I didn't post. Cough... cough... @Weezer

 

[Weezer]

Yes but I made it clear for you.

He doesn't like people clarifying his point.


Wait.... Did I just assume his gender?


Dammit! I did it again!

 

[StarRaider]

Did Nelson Mandela's popularity and base rise or fall while he was in jail? Sending Trump to jail might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

heck fire someday xiden will craft a tale that his F-35 was shot down over moscow on a mission to rescue Seal Team Six while putting donny in jail with his other hand (jeffery tobin style)