The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

#76
#76
Gandalf said:
Based on what I am seeing - prepare for a Trump indictment. They have gone so far now, they HAVE to bring one. I'm sure they are going to find something in that pile of docs hastily packed by GSA and shipped to Trump that they will claim is "still classified". And they know it because its been sitting there for 18 months and they have been there on previous visits to catalogue it. I can see on Tucker and others that they are maneuvering to get ahead of it. That likely means their inside sources are telling them what to expect.

This will lead to a Trump indictment, you heard it here. There is almost no other possible path for the Biden admin and the alphabet agencies. That will almost assuredly lead to a conviction by a Democrat Judge in a DC court and almost as likely to be overturned when it reaches this Supreme Court. This has nothing to do with right or wrong, and hardly even the law really, since almost anyone understands this would not even be an issue except that Trump may be running again and could very well win. So let us put away pretenses of why we each believe what should or should not happen but rather to address these actions with the understanding that is a pure amoral grab for power. All the rest are but pasties on the trollop to fool the simple that all is as it should be.

Meanwhile, 2 things will be happening:
1) very hard for Trump to run since theoretically conviction from this offense is a bar to holding federal office (or that will be the argument). His strongest supporters will grow even more enraged but a good number will have some hesitation because what happens if Trump is the candidate but then legally is barred from holding office?
2) this will suck all political air from anyone else who even is thinking of running as news stories will breathlessly give us updates every day. That's on the Republican side at least. Dems will line up to see which progressive poodle can condemn Trump the most virulently.

Perhaps worse still - there is virtually no chance that the alphabets can allow a Republican who is not a corporatist member of the swamp to be elected. If Trump is still running or if Trump is disqualified and DeSantis is the nominee, election cheating will be on a scale even previously unknown and actively assisted by agency leadership (not rank and file) and any assigned operatives. They simply cannot allow them to win because after indicting Trump, there will be enormous pressure on the next GOP president to liquidate the FBI as an agency and reform many of the others. Provided there is a GOP congress, it is likely the votes and appetite will be there for some major agency reform. Even without it, Trump's "Schedule F" initiative makes it possible to basically fire every political appointee and he would be vengeful and ruthless in doing so if elected. DeSantis is likely to be more surgical but use the same mechanism to eliminate every federal employee that he sees as a possible threat to his administration or policy.

This means that once the indictment, I am predicting here, is pushed forward, we will have entered a period where we essentially have a junta run by the federal leo/intelligence agencies (though some would claim we were well on the path in 2020, with the first attempt in 2016). The removal of Trump at any cost is a blatant political power grab. They cannot then let go of it to risk someone may hold them responsible for their actions. The Democratic nominee would simply be the window dressing, though they would have wide latitude on most policy issues. Consider the model long held by places like Pakistan, where there are contentious elections but the real arbiter of power is the Army.

This is a path to a civil uprising once people understand that there can be no real election anymore (which may take more than a single cycle since the media will be selling the election results hard). When the next Jan 6 happens, however, the 1M+ protestors may come fully armed to DC. What will happen then? Meanwhile, our enemies, both China and Russia will use the social media to amplify our dissent. The very social fabric ripped apart.

This is not what I want to happen but once the die is cast, each subsequent step is a logical conclusion for each side to make in their own self interest. It is why we should not have gotten here.

Let us see if I am right about the indictment. For those of you progressive Vols (or anyone else) who claims I am fancifully imaging unreasonable scenarios rather than predicting entrance to the road to hell for our democracy and our country - please be so kind as to share your own expectation of events following if Trump is indeed indicted? and if you expect that will happen?

Indeed, please tell me I am wrong - a hopeful word would be good this morning.
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Wow!! You’ll never get the time it took to type this back, sound decision on your part 😂
 
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Weezer said:
He doesn't like people clarifying his point.


Wait.... Did I just assume his gender?


Dammit! I did it again!
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Afraid to respond to my question?

You didn't even pretend to clarify ish.

Edit: to clarify, I don't have a problem with slice's comment. I have a problem with you putting words in my mouth.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Now I don’t believe there is anyone so despicable that the American voters won’t elect. Child molester? Sure. Mass murderer? Why not? As long as he is willing to lie about and trash immigrants, Muslims, pro choice people, the media and everyone else who disagrees with them, so-called Evangelical Christians will lap it all up and passionately support him.

Right now, I don’t know who I find more disgusting, Trump or his supporters.

This forum has become a right-wing conspiracy theory comedy of errors. A place where mentally ill jokers can come for affirmation.
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Pretty sure there is a lot more photo evidence of Biden being a molester than Trump. As far as Mass murderer……Trump ran against someone who had been accused of numerous suspicious deaths and the voters chose Trump. This forum is actually full of people that despise Trump. It’s just also filled with people who know that what they elected because they got triggered by the Orange Man is a lot worse.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Pretty sure there is a lot more photo evidence of Biden being a molester than Trump. As far as Mass murderer……Trump ran against someone who had been accused of numerous suspicious deaths and the voters chose Trump. This forum is actually full of people that despise Trump. It’s just also filled with people who know that what they elected because they got triggered by the Orange Man is a lot worse.
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See my previous post about rampant speculation and conspiratorial theorizing.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Now I don’t believe there is anyone so despicable that the American voters won’t elect. Child molester? Sure. Mass murderer? Why not? As long as he is willing to lie about and trash immigrants, Muslims, pro choice people, the media and everyone else who disagrees with them, so-called Evangelical Christians will lap it all up and passionately support him.

Right now, I don’t know who I find more disgusting, Trump or his supporters.

This forum has become a right-wing conspiracy theory comedy of errors. A place where mentally ill jokers can come for affirmation.
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You need help.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Pretty simple question to understand. You can answer with a "yes" or a "no."
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i have no idea what your actual intent was. I did clarify that both sides are equally capable of duplicity. In case you haven't noticed, I point that out quite frequently.
 
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Weezer said:
i have no idea what your actual intent was. I did clarify that both sides are equally capable of duplicity. In case you haven't noticed, I point that out quite frequently.
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What was I "pretending?" And if you don't know what my intent was, why would you tell me not to "pretend" something?

Edit: I'll also add that if you pretend to not assume my intent, you definitely did so when you replied to slice.
 
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#85
clarksvol00 said:
What was I "pretending?" And if you don't know what my intent was, why would you tell me not to "pretend" something?
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It's called a figure of speech. I forget the persecution complex that plagues some posters.

Yes, in this case, I mean you.
 
#86
#86
Gandalf said:
Based on what I am seeing - prepare for a Trump indictment. They have gone so far now, they HAVE to bring one. I'm sure they are going to find something in that pile of docs hastily packed by GSA and shipped to Trump that they will claim is "still classified". And they know it because its been sitting there for 18 months and they have been there on previous visits to catalogue it. I can see on Tucker and others that they are maneuvering to get ahead of it. That likely means their inside sources are telling them what to expect.

This will lead to a Trump indictment, you heard it here. There is almost no other possible path for the Biden admin and the alphabet agencies. That will almost assuredly lead to a conviction by a Democrat Judge in a DC court and almost as likely to be overturned when it reaches this Supreme Court. This has nothing to do with right or wrong, and hardly even the law really, since almost anyone understands this would not even be an issue except that Trump may be running again and could very well win. So let us put away pretenses of why we each believe what should or should not happen but rather to address these actions with the understanding that is a pure amoral grab for power. All the rest are but pasties on the trollop to fool the simple that all is as it should be.

Meanwhile, 2 things will be happening:
1) very hard for Trump to run since theoretically conviction from this offense is a bar to holding federal office (or that will be the argument). His strongest supporters will grow even more enraged but a good number will have some hesitation because what happens if Trump is the candidate but then legally is barred from holding office?
2) this will suck all political air from anyone else who even is thinking of running as news stories will breathlessly give us updates every day. That's on the Republican side at least. Dems will line up to see which progressive poodle can condemn Trump the most virulently.

Perhaps worse still - there is virtually no chance that the alphabets can allow a Republican who is not a corporatist member of the swamp to be elected. If Trump is still running or if Trump is disqualified and DeSantis is the nominee, election cheating will be on a scale even previously unknown and actively assisted by agency leadership (not rank and file) and any assigned operatives. They simply cannot allow them to win because after indicting Trump, there will be enormous pressure on the next GOP president to liquidate the FBI as an agency and reform many of the others. Provided there is a GOP congress, it is likely the votes and appetite will be there for some major agency reform. Even without it, Trump's "Schedule F" initiative makes it possible to basically fire every political appointee and he would be vengeful and ruthless in doing so if elected. DeSantis is likely to be more surgical but use the same mechanism to eliminate every federal employee that he sees as a possible threat to his administration or policy.

This means that once the indictment, I am predicting here, is pushed forward, we will have entered a period where we essentially have a junta run by the federal leo/intelligence agencies (though some would claim we were well on the path in 2020, with the first attempt in 2016). The removal of Trump at any cost is a blatant political power grab. They cannot then let go of it to risk someone may hold them responsible for their actions. The Democratic nominee would simply be the window dressing, though they would have wide latitude on most policy issues. Consider the model long held by places like Pakistan, where there are contentious elections but the real arbiter of power is the Army.

This is a path to a civil uprising once people understand that there can be no real election anymore (which may take more than a single cycle since the media will be selling the election results hard). When the next Jan 6 happens, however, the 1M+ protestors may come fully armed to DC. What will happen then? Meanwhile, our enemies, both China and Russia will use the social media to amplify our dissent. The very social fabric ripped apart.

This is not what I want to happen but once the die is cast, each subsequent step is a logical conclusion for each side to make in their own self interest. It is why we should not have gotten here.

Let us see if I am right about the indictment. For those of you progressive Vols (or anyone else) who claims I am fancifully imaging unreasonable scenarios rather than predicting entrance to the road to hell for our democracy and our country - please be so kind as to share your own expectation of events following if Trump is indeed indicted? and if you expect that will happen?

Indeed, please tell me I am wrong - a hopeful word would be good this morning.
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They'll shop for some DC judge that will rubber stamp anything against conservatives. This past year we've seen the hypocrisy and activism of the DC courts against conservatives.
 
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Weezer said:
It's called a figure of speech. I forget the persecution complex that plagues some posters.

Yes, in this case, I mean you.
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I don't know what you intended with your figure of speech.
By the way, see my edit.
 
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#88
Gandalf said:
Based on what I am seeing - prepare for a Trump indictment. They have gone so far now, they HAVE to bring one. I'm sure they are going to find something in that pile of docs hastily packed by GSA and shipped to Trump that they will claim is "still classified". And they know it because its been sitting there for 18 months and they have been there on previous visits to catalogue it. I can see on Tucker and others that they are maneuvering to get ahead of it. That likely means their inside sources are telling them what to expect.

This will lead to a Trump indictment, you heard it here. There is almost no other possible path for the Biden admin and the alphabet agencies. That will almost assuredly lead to a conviction by a Democrat Judge in a DC court and almost as likely to be overturned when it reaches this Supreme Court. This has nothing to do with right or wrong, and hardly even the law really, since almost anyone understands this would not even be an issue except that Trump may be running again and could very well win. So let us put away pretenses of why we each believe what should or should not happen but rather to address these actions with the understanding that is a pure amoral grab for power. All the rest are but pasties on the trollop to fool the simple that all is as it should be.

Meanwhile, 2 things will be happening:
1) very hard for Trump to run since theoretically conviction from this offense is a bar to holding federal office (or that will be the argument). His strongest supporters will grow even more enraged but a good number will have some hesitation because what happens if Trump is the candidate but then legally is barred from holding office?
2) this will suck all political air from anyone else who even is thinking of running as news stories will breathlessly give us updates every day. That's on the Republican side at least. Dems will line up to see which progressive poodle can condemn Trump the most virulently.

Perhaps worse still - there is virtually no chance that the alphabets can allow a Republican who is not a corporatist member of the swamp to be elected. If Trump is still running or if Trump is disqualified and DeSantis is the nominee, election cheating will be on a scale even previously unknown and actively assisted by agency leadership (not rank and file) and any assigned operatives. They simply cannot allow them to win because after indicting Trump, there will be enormous pressure on the next GOP president to liquidate the FBI as an agency and reform many of the others. Provided there is a GOP congress, it is likely the votes and appetite will be there for some major agency reform. Even without it, Trump's "Schedule F" initiative makes it possible to basically fire every political appointee and he would be vengeful and ruthless in doing so if elected. DeSantis is likely to be more surgical but use the same mechanism to eliminate every federal employee that he sees as a possible threat to his administration or policy.

This means that once the indictment, I am predicting here, is pushed forward, we will have entered a period where we essentially have a junta run by the federal leo/intelligence agencies (though some would claim we were well on the path in 2020, with the first attempt in 2016). The removal of Trump at any cost is a blatant political power grab. They cannot then let go of it to risk someone may hold them responsible for their actions. The Democratic nominee would simply be the window dressing, though they would have wide latitude on most policy issues. Consider the model long held by places like Pakistan, where there are contentious elections but the real arbiter of power is the Army.

This is a path to a civil uprising once people understand that there can be no real election anymore (which may take more than a single cycle since the media will be selling the election results hard). When the next Jan 6 happens, however, the 1M+ protestors may come fully armed to DC. What will happen then? Meanwhile, our enemies, both China and Russia will use the social media to amplify our dissent. The very social fabric ripped apart.

This is not what I want to happen but once the die is cast, each subsequent step is a logical conclusion for each side to make in their own self interest. It is why we should not have gotten here.

Let us see if I am right about the indictment. For those of you progressive Vols (or anyone else) who claims I am fancifully imaging unreasonable scenarios rather than predicting entrance to the road to hell for our democracy and our country - please be so kind as to share your own expectation of events following if Trump is indeed indicted? and if you expect that will happen?

Indeed, please tell me I am wrong - a hopeful word would be good this morning.
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It has nothing to do with Trump being an outsider or antiestablishment, it has always been 100% about him being a horrendously despicable human.
 
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Weezer said:
I hope so. I'm here for the political bloodbath this will bring. First the GOP will get revenge, then the Dems will get revenge for the GOP's revenge, and so on and so forth. It would be glorious. I'm all for it.
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Bring the pain.
 
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luthervol said:
It has nothing to do with Trump being an outsider or antiestablishment, it has always been 100% about him being a horrendously despicable human.
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Who defeated a horrendously despicable human Hillary Clinton. Replaced by a horrendously despicable human Joe Biden.

Call them all out.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
Who defeated a horrendously despicable human Hillary Clinton. Replaced by a horrendously despicable human Joe Biden.

Call them all out.
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I put them all on the continuum. Trump - historically low, by quite a bit.
 
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luthervol said:
I put them all on the continuum. Trump - historically low, by quite a bit.
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I was happy with him fading off into the sunset . The democratic party and Liz Cheney along with the FBI have rejuvenated him and he will probably run now.
Biden will run again as well. Hillary won't go away either . Cheney will fade into political commentary oblivion.

Looking forward to perpetual investigations from both sides . That will make everyone's life better.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The irony of his post was astonishing
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It amazes me the number of people I now that believe and buy into every single thing the democrat party and mainstream media tell them these days. And if you notice these people will go from one talking point to the next based on what their approved media tells them. It is rather astonishing.
 
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#99
Gandalf said:
Based on what I am seeing - prepare for a Trump indictment. They have gone so far now, they HAVE to bring one. I'm sure they are going to find something in that pile of docs hastily packed by GSA and shipped to Trump that they will claim is "still classified". And they know it because its been sitting there for 18 months and they have been there on previous visits to catalogue it. I can see on Tucker and others that they are maneuvering to get ahead of it. That likely means their inside sources are telling them what to expect.

This will lead to a Trump indictment, you heard it here. There is almost no other possible path for the Biden admin and the alphabet agencies. That will almost assuredly lead to a conviction by a Democrat Judge in a DC court and almost as likely to be overturned when it reaches this Supreme Court. This has nothing to do with right or wrong, and hardly even the law really, since almost anyone understands this would not even be an issue except that Trump may be running again and could very well win. So let us put away pretenses of why we each believe what should or should not happen but rather to address these actions with the understanding that is a pure amoral grab for power. All the rest are but pasties on the trollop to fool the simple that all is as it should be.

Meanwhile, 2 things will be happening:
1) very hard for Trump to run since theoretically conviction from this offense is a bar to holding federal office (or that will be the argument). His strongest supporters will grow even more enraged but a good number will have some hesitation because what happens if Trump is the candidate but then legally is barred from holding office?
2) this will suck all political air from anyone else who even is thinking of running as news stories will breathlessly give us updates every day. That's on the Republican side at least. Dems will line up to see which progressive poodle can condemn Trump the most virulently.

Perhaps worse still - there is virtually no chance that the alphabets can allow a Republican who is not a corporatist member of the swamp to be elected. If Trump is still running or if Trump is disqualified and DeSantis is the nominee, election cheating will be on a scale even previously unknown and actively assisted by agency leadership (not rank and file) and any assigned operatives. They simply cannot allow them to win because after indicting Trump, there will be enormous pressure on the next GOP president to liquidate the FBI as an agency and reform many of the others. Provided there is a GOP congress, it is likely the votes and appetite will be there for some major agency reform. Even without it, Trump's "Schedule F" initiative makes it possible to basically fire every political appointee and he would be vengeful and ruthless in doing so if elected. DeSantis is likely to be more surgical but use the same mechanism to eliminate every federal employee that he sees as a possible threat to his administration or policy.

This means that once the indictment, I am predicting here, is pushed forward, we will have entered a period where we essentially have a junta run by the federal leo/intelligence agencies (though some would claim we were well on the path in 2020, with the first attempt in 2016). The removal of Trump at any cost is a blatant political power grab. They cannot then let go of it to risk someone may hold them responsible for their actions. The Democratic nominee would simply be the window dressing, though they would have wide latitude on most policy issues. Consider the model long held by places like Pakistan, where there are contentious elections but the real arbiter of power is the Army.

This is a path to a civil uprising once people understand that there can be no real election anymore (which may take more than a single cycle since the media will be selling the election results hard). When the next Jan 6 happens, however, the 1M+ protestors may come fully armed to DC. What will happen then? Meanwhile, our enemies, both China and Russia will use the social media to amplify our dissent. The very social fabric ripped apart.

This is not what I want to happen but once the die is cast, each subsequent step is a logical conclusion for each side to make in their own self interest. It is why we should not have gotten here.

Let us see if I am right about the indictment. For those of you progressive Vols (or anyone else) who claims I am fancifully imaging unreasonable scenarios rather than predicting entrance to the road to hell for our democracy and our country - please be so kind as to share your own expectation of events following if Trump is indeed indicted? and if you expect that will happen?

Indeed, please tell me I am wrong - a hopeful word would be good this morning.
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