The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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AM64 said:
Hypothetically speaking. Suppose the president was found guilty and sentenced to prison? Does that render the local yokels impotent or remove the president from office? If it's the first why is short fat fani wasting taxpayer money?
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If the president were to be imprisoned, I would assume that Section 4 of the 25th Amendment would be invoked, and VP Vivek would become acting President.
 
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AM64 said:
Maybe the left should have proceeded with more haste in preparing their case? Shouldn't have taken long if they actually had a factual basis to stand on. If you spend years cobbling together a bunch of hash to make something sound official, then the other side should absolutely have all the hash to go through and the same amount of time to unravel it before trial. Sounds a lot like the cases against Trump are very short on actual fact and use a lot of twisted logic to try and twist individual events into a conspiracy.
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I'm for the Constitution, following what existing laws say about the speed of the trial, and a judge's time constraints. If that means 2024, that means 2024....

Trump's lawyers can (and probably will) file every pretrial motion possible to run the clock...
 
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bamawriter said:
So the executive branch (you know, the one that brings criminal charges) should choose not to pursue alleged criminal behavior because the target of their investigation chose to run for office? Trump choosing to run wasn't up to Biden or anyone in his administration (although they're clearly glad that he did).
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It's not that he is running that is at issue, it is that he has a heavy lead and will be the opponent of the current Party in power. Paint the whole picture.
 
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Septic said:
I wonder how the free $793B in PPP handouts affected inflation?

In fact most of the reasons for our current inflation problems are Covid shut down related.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Holy crap... I completely forgot about that. I complained up and down when that happened too. So ya, I agree Trump deserves some of that blame. Thanks for reminding me.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
This is the kind of hard hitting analysis one expects from consumers of infowars.

It was obvious what he was doing when the readout of the call was published and he later came out and did it publicly. That didn’t even produce serious conversation on here because everybody had known he was pushing Barr to go after Biden for over a year at that point.
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I dont consume Infowars, I do however think Alex Jones was railroaded. Nice attempt to discredit though.

Yes it was obvious what he was doing as we now see the fruit of Biden's corruption in Ukraine. The Senate saw it as well as they didnt impeach Trump because he did nothing wrong.

It is a poor example because the thought of Biden running when Trump made the call to Z was laughable to most. At the time, the better argument that could be made was Trump trying to get revenge for the Russia collusion hoax.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I'm for the Constitution, following what existing laws say about the speed of the trial, and a judge's time constraints. If that means 2024, that means 2024....

Trump's lawyers can (and probably will) file every pretrial motion possible to run the clock...
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But you havent explained what is hurt by waiting a few months.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I'm for the Constitution, following what existing laws say about the speed of the trial, and a judge's time constraints. If that means 2024, that means 2024....

Trump's lawyers can (and probably will) file every pretrial motion possible to run the clock...
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So am I, but if it took the prosecution two years to knit a case together, then the defendant should get that much time to go through all the details and documentation to pick it apart. If you have real evidence of someone committing a crime, it shouldn't take two years and thousands of pages to make a case. Trump either twisted an arm to change an election or he didn't; it's that damn simple. It's only complicated if other people did other acts, and you try to make it sound like it was planned and coordinated by one guy, and all those acts were for nefarious reasons. Obviously not being a dem and questioning the dem process is nefarious.
 
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Septic said:
Between me and you, it amuses me to watch you trumpers fail to grasp the elementary concept of justice for the wronged being more important than the accused's personal aspirations.

The irony of you chirping about "free and fair" elections isn't lost on anyone here.

You're a victim, all trumpers are.
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I enjoy watching you waller around in your hypocrisy. Who is the wronged you speak of, in these Trump cases? This ought to be a fun answer.
 
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volgr said:
We can debate hypotheticals but wouldnt it be easier to debate the actual example in front of us?
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Debate it then. You said Trump being the leading candidate to take on Biden should motivate a delay in the trials. Since a total of zero votes have been cast at this point, what would qualify Trump as "leading," and thus worthy of a delay, except for polling?
 
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AM64 said:
So am I, but if it took the prosecution two years to knit a case together, then the defendant should get that much time to go through all the details and documentation to pick it apart.
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In the Mar-a-Lago case, Trump had access to the evidence for far longer than the AG.
 
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bamawriter said:
Debate it then. You said Trump being the leading candidate to take on Biden should motivate a delay in the trials. Since a total of zero votes have been cast at this point, what would qualify Trump as "leading," and thus worthy of a delay, except for polling?
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I am saying, we can debate if a candidate is polling at 1% or 10% or 25% is the appropriate number to delay a possible prosecution as to not interfere with an upcoming election...but for now, we know that Trump is the heavy favorite in every poll to win the GOP nomination and this is post announcement of every indictment. How could one argue against postponement?
 
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volgr said:
I am saying, we can debate if a candidate is polling at 1% or 10% or 25% is the appropriate number to delay a possible prosecution as to not interfere with an upcoming election...but for now, we know that Trump is the heavy favorite in every poll to win the GOP nomination and this is post announcement of every indictment. How could one argue against postponement?
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So when I asked:

So they should base prosecutorial decisions on polling?
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Your answer is "Yes."
 
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bamawriter said:
In the Mar-a-Lago case, Trump had access to the evidence for far longer than the AG.
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Trump has had access to the AG's case longer than the AG? Show it. It's the case that matters - not how long someone has to ponder on how the prosecution might direct things.
 
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bamawriter said:
So when I asked:



Your answer is "Yes."
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My answer would be, considering how rare this has happened in our history it would probably be best to consider on a case by case basis. However, we can, for now, deal with the actual case before us.
 
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gonna be must watch tv..that will start some debates on here. make OJ look like child’s play..a verifiable circus with 19 defendants in one setting and 11 million pages.
 
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