The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[AM64]

We both know this is not about the banks or the loans, etc. it is about Trump. The root of all evil.

Bargaining has been the basis of trade for centuries. Each party assesses the item to be sold or held as collateral, and bargain toward a mutually acceptable value. There's not much of anything that has real fixed immutable value. It's really like beauty being in the eye of the beholder.

I completely agree it's all about Trump - otherwise we are in for some interesting times if someone offers anything for sale and a court can later come along and say the offered price or valuation was fraudulent after two parties had agreed on the value.

 

[Orangeburst]

Bargaining has been the basis of trade for centuries. Each party assesses the item to be sold or held as collateral, and bargain toward a mutually acceptable value. There's not much of anything that has real fixed immutable value. It's really like beauty being in the eye of the beholder.

I completely agree it's all about Trump - otherwise we are in for some interesting times if someone offers anything for sale and a court can later come along and say the offered price or valuation was fraudulent after two parties had agreed on the value.

i dont get how the gov can intervene in what is essentially a private contract that isnt even in disoute.

 

[midnight orange]

The second part of that you're not getting is the loans he didn't pay back through bankruptcy. If those loans were obtained with fraudulent financial statements, he's . They opened the door with this line of defense.

I’m sure he had property as collateral which was (or should have been) appraised. I would find it unlikely that they gave him a non recourse loan based on his stated personal wealth, especially after his history of bankruptcies.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

They're circling the wagons, Deutsche Bank wouldn't want its shareholders or investors to find out they were sleeping at the wheel.

YGHN. LOL

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I’m sure he had property as collateral which was (or should have been) appraised. I would find it unlikely that they gave him a non recourse loan based on his stated personal wealth, especially after his history of bankruptcies.

You're sure he had property collateral? You think it wasn't already heavily leveraged? The clown has to use his donations just to pay his bills...some of them anyway. He's been through dozens of lawyers, just in the last few years. That's a fact. Explain it away, please

 

[midnight orange]

You're sure he had property collateral? You think it wasn't already heavily leveraged? The clown has to use his donations just to pay his bills...some of them anyway. He's been through dozens of lawyers, just in the last few years. That's a fact. Explain it away, please

I have no idea but considering his past actions and bankruptcies, I sure as hell would have had collateral if loaning to him.

 

[volfanhill]

You're sure he had property collateral? You think it wasn't already heavily leveraged? The clown has to use his donations just to pay his bills...some of them anyway. He's been through dozens of lawyers, just in the last few years. That's a fact. Explain it away, please

Has to use his donations? Thats not accurate.

 

[Sudden Impact]

You mad?

Nah, Truth hurts don't it.

 

[Septic]

Nobody is circling the wagons. I assure you Deutsche bank was not sleeping at the wheel. Nobody loans that kind of money to anybody without looking at it every way imaginable. The bankers know what they are doing. Or at least they better or they won’t be in business long. I am sure they had a team of people looking at it. And it looks like they got it right. The shareholders and investor don’t give a ****. The money was repaid. Damn.

You're one bad take after another. After this last one I think we can all agree that you should sit this one out.

SEC.gov | SEC Charges Deutsche Bank With Misstating Financial Reports During Financial Crisis

www.sec.gov

Deutsche Bank’s fall from grace: how one of the world’s largest lenders got into hot water

Once the largest lender in the world by assets, Deutsche Bank’s reputation has been dented by allegations of money laundering, questions over its dealings with the US president and a series of profit warnings

www.worldfinance.com

Deutsche Bank Agrees to Pay $7.2 Billion for Misleading Investors in its Sale of Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities

The Justice Department, along with federal partners, announced today a $7.2 billion settlement with Deutsche Bank resolving federal civil claims that Deutsche Bank misled investors in the packaging, securitization, marketing, sale and issuance of residential mortgage-backed securities (RMBS)...

www.justice.gov

Deutsche Bank tumbles as jittery investors seek safer shores

Shares of Germany's largest bank Deutsche Bank plunged on Friday as investors fretted that regulators and central banks have yet to contain the worst shock to the sector since the 2008 global financial crisis.

www.reuters.com

Trump loans and money laundering: Deutsche Bank's fall from grace

Drastic job-cutting is the latest chapter in the 149-year-old bank’s dramatic history

www.theguardian.com

Shares in Deutsche Bank drop as global banking worries persist

Tumbling stocks dragged down other major banks across Europe, fuelling fears about a banking sector crisis.

www.aljazeera.com

Deutsche Bank's biggest scandals – DW – 09/20/2020

The FinCEN Files investigation has revealed that top Deutsche Bank executives knew the bank could be used for money laundering. The news is the latest in a long line of scandals from Germany's largest bank.

www.dw.com

Banking fears spread to German giant Deusche Bank

Shared of Deutsche Bank fell on Friday as jitters spread through the global banking sector.

www.cbsnews.com

The Deutsche Bank Crisis, At A Glance

Recently, the U.S. Department of Justice slapped a $14 billion fine to Deutsche Bank due to sales malpractice that eventually paved the way to the 2008 financial crisis. The bank claimed that it does not intend to settle the fine anywhere near that amount. Negotiations, however, are still...

www.nestseekers.com

If you've not seen it, I'd invite you to watch a movie called "The Big Short." When you're done, report back and let me know if you still have faith in the banking system. These banks are willing to do ANYTHING to make money, their incompetence is only exceeded by their greed.

If you don't think DB would circle the wagons and play off getting played by Donny as routine then you may have just fallen off the turnip truck.

 

[Septic]

YGHN. LOL

He's already been found liable, or did you forget?

LOL

 

[Jxn Vol]

TDS afflicted folks can’t see this case is blowing up in Laquisha James face. The only reason it hasn’t been dismissed is the wrinkled up biased judge.

YGHN

 

[LibertyVol]

You're one bad take after another. After this last one I think we can all agree that you should sit this one out.

SEC.gov | SEC Charges Deutsche Bank With Misstating Financial Reports During Financial Crisis

www.sec.gov

Deutsche Bank’s fall from grace: how one of the world’s largest lenders got into hot water

Once the largest lender in the world by assets, Deutsche Bank’s reputation has been dented by allegations of money laundering, questions over its dealings with the US president and a series of profit warnings

www.worldfinance.com

Deutsche Bank Agrees to Pay $7.2 Billion for Misleading Investors in its Sale of Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities

The Justice Department, along with federal partners, announced today a $7.2 billion settlement with Deutsche Bank resolving federal civil claims that Deutsche Bank misled investors in the packaging, securitization, marketing, sale and issuance of residential mortgage-backed securities (RMBS)...

www.justice.gov

Deutsche Bank tumbles as jittery investors seek safer shores

Shares of Germany's largest bank Deutsche Bank plunged on Friday as investors fretted that regulators and central banks have yet to contain the worst shock to the sector since the 2008 global financial crisis.

www.reuters.com

Trump loans and money laundering: Deutsche Bank's fall from grace

Drastic job-cutting is the latest chapter in the 149-year-old bank’s dramatic history

www.theguardian.com

Shares in Deutsche Bank drop as global banking worries persist

Tumbling stocks dragged down other major banks across Europe, fuelling fears about a banking sector crisis.

www.aljazeera.com

Deutsche Bank's biggest scandals – DW – 09/20/2020

The FinCEN Files investigation has revealed that top Deutsche Bank executives knew the bank could be used for money laundering. The news is the latest in a long line of scandals from Germany's largest bank.

www.dw.com

Banking fears spread to German giant Deusche Bank

Shared of Deutsche Bank fell on Friday as jitters spread through the global banking sector.

www.cbsnews.com

The Deutsche Bank Crisis, At A Glance

Recently, the U.S. Department of Justice slapped a $14 billion fine to Deutsche Bank due to sales malpractice that eventually paved the way to the 2008 financial crisis. The bank claimed that it does not intend to settle the fine anywhere near that amount. Negotiations, however, are still...

www.nestseekers.com

If you've not seen it, I'd invite you to watch a movie called "The Big Short." When you're done, report back and let me know if you still have faith in the banking system. These banks are willing to do ANYTHING to make money, their incompetence is only exceeded by their greed.

If you don't think DB would circle the wagons and play off getting played by Donny as routine then you may have just fallen off the turnip truck.

He's already been found liable, or did you forget?

LOL

So the bank has had problems. Still trying to find out who he defrauded and how much?

 

[Septic]

So the bank has had problems. Still trying to find out who he defrauded and how much?

You've been told, you just won't acknowledge it. Asking the same question over and over after its been explained makes you look silly.

Maybe you just don't understand the explanation?

 

[LibertyVol]

You've been told, you just won't acknowledge it. Asking the same question over and over after its been explained makes you look silly.

Maybe you just don't understand the explanation?

Answer the question then. Should be easy enough. Deutch bank didn’t sue Trump. Its investors didn’t sue Trump. It ‘s shareholders didn’t sue Trump. No bank sued Trump.

 

[Septic]

Answer the question then. Should be easy enough. Deutch bank didn’t sue Trump. Its investors didn’t sue Trump. It ‘s shareholders didn’t sue Trump. No bank sued Trump.

What's your point?

Do you think that a suit by the defrauded is required in order to prove the law was broken?

Let me help you... It's not.

Bank Fraud Law

Learn about the crime of bank fraud, defined as using deception to get money from a financial institution, and how to fight this type of charge.

www.justia.com

If I stole money from you, gambled it, won and then put the money back before you discovered it was missing - did I put your money at risk? Did I break the law even though there was no victim (in the end)?

 

[LibertyVol]

What's your point?

Do you think that a suit by the defrauded is required in order to prove the law was broken?

Let me help you... It's not.

Bank Fraud Law

Learn about the crime of bank fraud, defined as using deception to get money from a financial institution, and how to fight this type of charge.

www.justia.com

If I stole money from you, gambled it, won and then put the money back before you discovered it was missing - did I put your money at risk? Did I break the law even though there was no victim (in the end)?

that is not a good example. They loaned him the money. He didn’t steal it. They knew what he was going to do with the money. My understanding is Deutch bank is still lending him money. So they obviously did not feel he defrauded them.

 

[LibertyVol]

that is not a good example. They loaned him the money. He didn’t steal it. They knew what he was going to do with the money. My understanding is Deutch bank is still lending him money. So they obviously did not feel he defrauded them.

Actually this is not true. Deutch bank is not loaning him money.

 

[whodeycin85]

Blows my mind to see self proclaimed small government people and business owners cheering on government interference in private businesses.

 

[Septic]

Blows my mind to see self proclaimed small government people and business owners cheering on government interference in private businesses.

Enforcing the law equals government interference? Lol, that's one way to whitewash bank fraud.

 

[whodeycin85]

Enforcing the law equals government interference? Lol, that's one way to whitewash bank fraud.

So you agree with a law in which the government and deem your business agreements with other businesses are illegal. Regardless of either side agreeing?

 

[Septic]

So you agree with a law in which the government and deem your business agreements with other businesses are illegal. Regardless of either side agreeing?

I'm sorry, are you asking why the government enforces civil law actions? There are a multitude of reasons why bank fraud laws exist and some aren't even implemented to protect the bank.

My guess is that if Joe or Hillary had so brazenly and openly committed this very exact fraud, you'd be cheering and chirping about how if you don't like the law to then get it changed.

 

[whodeycin85]

I'm sorry, are you asking why the government enforces civil law actions? There are a multitude of reasons why bank fraud laws exist and some aren't even implemented to protect the bank.

My guess is that if Joe or Hillary had so brazenly and openly committed this very exact fraud, you'd be cheering and chirping about how if you don't like the law to then get it changed.

I'm saying a law in which the government can arbitrarily determine which contractual agreements are fraudulent based on their own opinions is a flawed law. Neither DB or DJT said there was fraud by the other which means it was a transaction. Basically you'd be ok with the government bring a lawsuit against your company because they believe that you overcharge for the cost of your goods. Does that seem like the position of someone voting for smaller government?

Biden and Hillary have done similar and as long as the bank isnt being defrauded (which they have said they weren't) then they openly agreed to a deal. The .Gov should stay out of it

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Why do people continue to debate people with complete TDS, and who beleive lying is a completely valid method to power at all cost. So you really expect Sep to give a damn about facts or reality, when he is so much more vested in the "truth" being whatever false fake news narrative that align with his political desires?

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

Enforcing the law equals government interference? Lol, that's one way to whitewash bank fraud.

Selectively enforcing the law definitely equals government interference. It’s common knowledge that this practice is commonplace as was testified to under oath. Trump definitely seems guilty and is undoubtably guilty of countless other illegal practices he hasn’t even been charged with (yet anyway) used by politicians and the rich in general, but you don’t see the government breaking their backs to hang the rest of them from the flagpole publicly like they are Trump. One neither has to be a Trump fan nor a Trump hater to see this dog and pony show for what it is. To even entertain the idea that this isn’t a political hatchet job is an act of monumental delusion and stupidity.

 

[Jxn Vol]

2 tiers of justice is alive and well.


On all levels.