The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[LibertyVol]

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What's the reason? I know one reason, but you go first.

To elect candidates who support lefty policies.

 

[turbovol]

You are kidding. I mean according to our lefty friends elections are the most secure in American history. Lefties would never question an election. They are men of honor, virtue and integrity. Always willing to accept the results when the lefty candidate loses. Now let’s get on with the lynching.

The only modern election in which a candidate was screwed by terrible state voting system--and the Supreme Court--was the Gore/Bush election. Gore got totally screwed and may very well have won Florida and thus the presidency. The Supreme Court totally screwed him by not allowing a hand recount. Didn't Florida have this insane rule that a "hanging chad" would not be counted as a valid vote because it wasn't punched all the way through? Totally stupid. Major injustice to Gore. And Clinton was the victim of a huge social-media campaign by Russian bots, a GOP smear job and that stupid FBI directors idiotic comment about her emails. Clinton's "emails" was yet another absurd conspiracy theory--total nonsense---on top of the total nonsense and transparent smear job that was Benghazi. Nobody politician ever has been victimized by ridiculous conspiracy theories and a smear campaign than Clinton. Throw major Russia interference on top and we see why she lost despite winning the popular vote.

 

[turbovol]

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To elect candidates who support lefty policies.

Stupid comment. If your wild-eyed conspiracy notions were true the Dems would win every election. Most Americans don't support GOP
policies on major issues like abortion and gun control; that's a big reason why Republicans have lost the popular vote in every presidential election but one in the last 20 years.

 

[LibertyVol]

The only modern election in which a candidate was screwed by terrible state voting system--and the Supreme Court--was the Gore/Bush election. Gore got totally screwed and may very well have won Florida and thus the presidency. The Supreme Court totally screwed him by not allowing a hand recount. Didn't Florida have this insane rule that a "hanging chad" would not be counted as a valid vote because it wasn't punched all the way through? Totally stupid. Major injustice to Gore. And Clinton was the victim of a huge social-media campaign by Russian bots, a GOP smear job and that stupid FBI directors idiotic comment about her emails. Clinton's "emails" was yet another absurd conspiracy theory--total nonsense---on top of the total nonsense and transparent smear job that was Benghazi. Nobody politician ever has been victimized by ridiculous conspiracy theories and a smear campaign than Clinton. Throw major Russia interference on top and we see why she lost despite winning the popular vote.

I am not buying into the Russian thing and the Republican Party. But it is definitely possible. I believe the Democratic Party has been closely aligned with China for quite some time. I believe Clinton’s campaign was paid for by China and he sold them military secrets in repayment amongst other things. Also I am more apt to believe the Democratic Party has taken money from the Russians as well. Hillary’s foundation received millions in donations from the Russians. Also she was involved in authorizating the sale of Uranium to Russia. My concern is that both sides are taking money from both. Each side tells us what we want to hear depending if we are red or blue. I mean it makes sense. If I am going to bribe politicians I bribe both sides. From where I am sitting it appears to be more obvious on the Democratic side, but.that does not mean it is not equally or more prevalent on the Republican side. Trump stuck his nose right in the middle of it and is paying the price.

 

[volbound1700]

I am not buying into the Russian thing and the Republican Party. But it is definitely possible. I believe the Democratic Party has been closely aligned with China for quite some time. I believe Clinton’s campaign was paid for by China and he sold them military secrets in repayment amongst other things. Also I am more apt to believe the Democratic Party has taken money from the Russians as well. Hillary’s foundation received millions in donations from the Russians. Also she was involved in authorizating the sale of Uranium to Russia. My concern is that both sides are taking money from both. Each side tells us what we want to hear depending if we are red or blue. I mean it makes sense. If I am going to bribe politicians I bribe both sides. From where I am sitting it appears to be more obvious on the Democratic side, but.that does not mean it is not equally or more prevalent on the Republican side. Trump stuck his nose right in the middle of it and is paying the price.

China and Russia actually play both sides. Saudi Arabia actually does as well.

One major issue with Democracy is that the leaders can be bought.

Big Corporate interests in USA also get involved.

It is especially bad with Congress as Congressmen only hold office 2 years so they spend over 75% of their time campaigning for re-election and don't even get to focus on real problems of our country. They need money to get elected so they are susceptible to these interests.

Another major issue with our system is that it is entirely a winner take all situation. If you lose, you are out of a job. It prevents anyone that isn't mega-wealthy or has alternative income from ever running for office.

 

[Wireless1]

China and Russia actually play both sides. Saudi Arabia actually does as well.

One major issue with Democracy is that the leaders can be bought.

Big Corporate interests in USA also get involved.

It is especially bad with Congress as Congressmen only hold office 2 years so they spend over 75% of their time campaigning for re-election and don't even get to focus on real problems of our country. They need money to get elected so they are susceptible to these interests.

Another major issue with our system is that it is entirely a winner take all situation. If you lose, you are out of a job. It prevents anyone that isn't mega-wealthy or has alternative income from ever running for office.

I'm personally praying for the day that our politicians, enmasse, confess to their transgressions rather than concede to the blackmail that their "handlers" are coercing them. I can't help but think that many of the representatives that are "retiring" (from both sides of the aisle) are not doing so because they have something in the closet that will be revealed if they don't toe the line and morally they can't toe that line.

 

[volbound1700]

I'm personally praying for the day that our politicians, enmasse, confess to their transgressions rather than concede to the blackmail that their "handlers" are coercing them. I can't help but think that many of the representatives that are "retiring" (from both sides of the aisle) are not doing so because they have something in the closet that will be revealed if they don't toe the line and morally they can't toe that line.

Think beyond our politicians, though. The issue is on our society at large as well. I think there are deep, entrenched cultural mentalities in the average American that are inherently flawed. We need a different perspective of looking into things.

I do think elections need to be improved including having a National Holiday for elections, lining up elections to reduce the # of elections in order to create visibility, move away from 2-party system, have more debate forums with better access to the people and a push to encourage people to watch, don't cry over # of people voting... the mentality should been on quality over quantity when it comes to voters, and even have a small fact sheet next to each voter's name in the booth to explain their position. Let the candidate get a paragraph that we can put next to their name.

At the County level, I hate the regionality of the positions. It works for higher levels but you shouldn't have districts for School Board or County Commission. The entire county should be allowed to vote for their board and every commissioner.

The media is another problem. In theory, it shouldn't be but people just follow the media on both sides like zombies instead of doing their own research. The tldr mentality of Americans is another major issue. Americans with have strong position of stuff they haven't studied or researched.

 

[hog88]

Think beyond our politicians, though. The issue is on our society at large as well. I think there are deep, entrenched cultural mentalities in the average American that are inherently flawed. We need a different perspective of looking into things.

I do think elections need to be improved including having a National Holiday for elections, lining up elections to reduce the # of elections in order to create visibility, move away from 2-party system, have more debate forums with better access to the people and a push to encourage people to watch, don't cry over # of people voting... the mentality should been on quality over quantity when it comes to voters, and even have a small fact sheet next to each voter's name in the booth to explain their position. Let the candidate get a paragraph that we can put next to their name.

At the County level, I hate the regionality of the positions. It works for higher levels but you shouldn't have districts for School Board or County Commission. The entire county should be allowed to vote for their board and every commissioner.

The media is another problem. In theory, it shouldn't be but people just follow the media on both sides like zombies instead of doing their own research. The tldr mentality of Americans is another major issue. Americans with have strong position of stuff they haven't studied or researched.

We don't need a national holiday for elections, who's going to pay for people to take the day off?

IMO: Get rid of early voting and absentee ballots (for anyone not serving outside of their district on official duty). Make election "day" a 4 day event, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sunday. Go to all paper (verifiable ballots) and stop expecting results instantly, each state has until the Thursday after pols close to count votes and certify. I do like the idea of having 1 election period for local/state and federal, these August elections some places have are BS.

 

[volbound1700]

We don't need a national holiday for elections, who's going to pay for people to take the day off?

IMO: Get rid of early voting and absentee ballots (for anyone not serving outside of their district on official duty). Make election "day" a 4 day event, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sunday. Go to all paper (verifiable ballots) and stop expecting results instantly, each state has until the Thursday after pols close to count votes and certify. I do like the idea of having 1 election period for local/state and federal, these August elections some places have are BS.

Pay for it? Who pays for Labor Day, Memorial Day, etc.? It is just a day off. Essentials would still probably need to work or run in shifts but one day is not going to impact our economy significantly.

The United States has the lowest number of National Holidays out of any nation on Earth. China, Japan, and others get full weeks off for Chinese New Year, Golden Week, etc.

Europe gets most of August off as well as Christmas time frame.

South America is just coming back from a full week of Carnival.

With all the challenges we have politically, I think it is serious enough to give people a day off. Also, keep in mind, it would only be once ever 4 years as well.

 

[hog88]

Pay for it? Who pays for Labor Day, Memorial Day, etc.? It is just a day off. Essentials would still probably need to work or run in shifts but one day is not going to impact our economy significantly.

The United States has the lowest number of National Holidays out of any nation on Earth. China, Japan, and others get full weeks off for Chinese New Year, Golden Week, etc.

Europe gets most of August off as well as Christmas time frame.

South America is just coming back from a full week of Carnival.

I pay for my employees day off for Labor Day, Memorial Day etc.

Good for them, I don't want to be like any of the ones you mentioned.

 

[volbound1700]

I pay for my employees day off for Labor Day, Memorial Day etc.

Good for them, I don't want to be like any of the ones you mentioned.

The hour system is very flawed as well. Frankly, your employees may come up with more novel ideas on how to solve problems by getting a little bit of a break.

Sounds like you don't trust your direct reports/employees.

There is statistical report after statistically report that shows that overworking or additional hours does NOT always produce great productivity and can actually have the opposite effects.

Some of the best ideas that I have had to change my company came outside the office.

I can't believe someone on here is whining about a one-day Holiday that would happen every 4 years. What a Scrooge lol.

 

[Septic]

I pay for my employees day off for Labor Day, Memorial Day etc.

Good for them, I don't want to be like any of the ones you mentioned.

I didn't realize you were a business owner with employees.

 

[hog88]

The hour system is very flawed as well. Frankly, your employees may come up with more novel ideas on how to solve problems by getting a little bit of a break.

Sounds like you don't trust your direct reports/employees.

There is statistical report after statistically report that shows that overworking or additional hours does NOT always produce great productivity and can actually have the opposite effects.

Some of the best ideas that I have had to change my company came outside the office.

I can't believe someone on here is whining about a one-day Holiday that would happen every 4 years. What a Scrooge lol.

LOL now you are a business consultant for a firm you don't even know?

Look dude, we don't need the federal government mandating another damn paid holiday.

 

[volbound1700]

Translation: My firm matters more than the future of this country

For small businesses, Federal Regulations and Taxes are usually one of their greatest headaches.

With a more intelligent voting base with time to focus on elections, you could have a stronger government that would implement less of these headaches.

 

[Septic]

LOL now you are a business consultant for a firm you don't even know?

Look dude, we don't need the federal government mandating another damn paid holiday.

The government doesn't mandate paid holidays now unless they are actually worked.

 

[volbound1700]

The government doesn't mandate paid holidays now unless they are actually worked.

This guy is making 0 sense. One holiday every 4 years won't make or break his firm. He is just being ridiculous. Frankly just arguing about something to argue.

 

[hog88]

Translation: My firm matters more than the future of this country

For small businesses, Federal Regulations and Taxes are usually one of their greatest headaches.

With a more intelligent voting base with time to focus on elections, you could have a stronger government that would implement less of these headaches.

LOL

How does a paid holiday translate to more intelligent and informed voters. You do realize that a paid holiday on Thursday will just mean people taking Friday as PTO and making it a 4 day weekend don't you? I doubt we would even see an increase in voter turnout.

 

[hog88]

The government doesn't mandate paid holidays now unless they are actually worked.

No shizz sherlock, it would just be government and bank employees getting the paid day off and taking a 4 day weekend. So more government waste.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Tennessee already mandates 3 hours paid time off for voting**...

** Subject to some exceptions

 

[hog88]

Tennessee already mandates 3 hours paid time off for voting**...

** Subject to some exceptions

Only if the pols close less than 3 hours after a scheduled shift ends.

But it's never been an issue for us, we're pretty dang liberal with our PTO. I even have a guy out now on paid paternity leave if you can believe that.

 

[Septic]

This guy is making 0 sense. One holiday every 4 years won't make or break his firm. He is just being ridiculous. Frankly just arguing about something to argue.

I'm a business owner with employees and would absolutely support a presidential voting holiday. I wouldn't cry about paying for it either, heck - I'd even trade in Presidents day for it.

There are some that support our Republic and those who only seem to want to bitch about it.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[hog88]

I'm a business owner with employees and would absolutely support a presidential voting holiday. I wouldn't cry about paying for it either, heck - I'd even trade in Presidents day for it.

There are some that support our Republic and those who only seem to want to bitch about it.

You're not in a service industry either.

 

[0nelilreb]

I'm a business owner with employees and would absolutely support a presidential voting holiday. I wouldn't cry about paying for it either, heck - I'd even trade in Presidents day for it.

There are some that support our Republic and those who only seem to want to bitch about it.

Federal Holidays are fun when you aren’t in logistics and supply . If you were , yes you’d bitch about it . lol

 

[hog88]

If you want to get into holidays, I've always thought Christmas, New Years day and July 4th should be observed on a Friday or Monday. It would make things much more efficient.


Also the Super Bowl should be played on a Saturday.