The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[hog88]

One of the most important things a President does is nominate Supreme Court Justices. Although, he denied it at the time, there clearly was a litmus test on abortion .... and the Dobbs ruling should be placed squarely in the lap of Trump as a result of his nominations of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney-Barrett. Overturning Roe v Wade is as right wing as it gets.

Ok, while I disagree with you on that being right wing (I consider it constitutionalist) I grant that you have a point.

Now on to his left wing stance and policies. His bump stock ban was about as left wing as it gets and his outline for the replacement of ACA was still far left since it didn’t kill the subsidies.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Ok, while I disagree with you on that being right wing (I consider it constitutionalist) I grant that you have a point.

Now on to his left wing stance and policies. His bump stock ban was about as left wing as it gets and his outline for the replacement of ACA was still far left since it didn’t kill the subsidies.

His Supreme Court nominations are not even my biggest criticism of him at this point. He simply nominated judges that his party wanted. Any Republican would have done the same thing. He just should have been honest that overturning Roe v Wade was part of the criteria.

The way he handled losing the 2020 election is another story, however. I can't think of anyone else, who would have taken it as far as he did.

.... invariably, someone will bring up Hillary Clinton calling Trump an illegitimate President, as if it's the same thing as Trump's fake elector stunt and pressuring Pence to not count certain electoral votes.

 

[hog88]

His Supreme Court nominations are not even my biggest criticism of him at this point. He simply nominated judges that his party wanted. Any Republican would have done the same thing. He just should have been honest that overturning Roe v Wade was part of the criteria.

The way he handled losing the 2020 election is another story, however. I can't think of anyone else, who would have taken it as far as he did.

.... invariably, someone will bring up Hillary Clinton calling Trump an illegitimate President, as if it's the same thing as Trump's fake elector stunt and pressuring Pence to not count certain electoral votes.

Ok I’ll agree that he handled losing the election terribly.

Now let’s get back to policy, what other right wing stances did he take?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

His Supreme Court nominations are not even my biggest criticism of him at this point. He simply nominated judges that his party wanted. Any Republican would have done the same thing. He just should have been honest that overturning Roe v Wade was part of the criteria.

The way he handled losing the 2020 election is another story, however. I can't think of anyone else, who would have taken it as far as he did.

.... invariably, someone will bring up Hillary Clinton calling Trump an illegitimate President, as if it's the same thing as Trump's fake elector stunt and pressuring Pence to not count certain electoral votes.

He could have nominated judges in the Alito/Thomas mold but he didn't.

I think he did a decent job with justices although I didn't like how ACB was rammed through....

 

[Orangeburst]

So Rasmussen and Harris skew right, but no other RCP polls that constitute the average lean left. Got it..

 

[Jxn Vol]

The gangster is deeply, deeply corrupt and a malignant, sinister liar. We can't have anybody of such incalcuably low character in the White House. Only somebody mentally ill would get impeached twice, try to subvert an election and incite an attack on the U.S. Capitol--and prove generally incompetent--and then decide to run again. Mentally ill. It's all a personal power trip with the guy. And people who still support him are mentally ill and people of low character. The man does not respect U.S. laws, other people, has been conning and bullying people all his lilfe, and is a complete and utter dick of a human being--AND he wants to be the bitch of our major adversary. Many of the people in his administration were hacks--Pompeo was an embarrassing joke as head of the CIA and then State Department, a fat moron who had no idea what he was doing. The guy couldn't even dress properly. Biden has intelligent people and pros. Trump--hacks and crackpots.

If the Dems are smart, they'll roll out an TV ad in the fall with all the former gangster administration people talking about how unfit he is for public office--it's a very long list. There are no "right people" who want to work for the gangster except for true ideologial extremists.

Speedo, You are on condiments today. Yesterday was a disaster with you working the drive through.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Ok I’ll agree that he handled losing the election terribly.

Now let’s get back to policy, what other right wing stances did he take?

He gutted the EPA .... with one of his worst cabinet members - Scott Pruitt.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So Rasmussen and Harris skew right, but no other RCP polls that constitute the average lean left. Got it..

No, I didn't say that. There are.

I'm just pointing out that the calls for a red wave in the 2022 midterms were way off.

Republicans didn't take back the Senate as widely predicted and they only gained 9 seats in the House when upwards of 25-28 seats were expected to flip to the Republican side. Republicans also lost Governor's races in purple states such as Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona .... and even lost a Governor's race in Kansas. In particular, Fox News really overhyped Republican candidates in 2022. They did so because they had too much confidence in those right-leaning polls.

 

[Orangeburst]

No, I didn't say that. There are.

I'm just pointing out that the calls for a red wave in the 2022 midterms were way off.

Republicans didn't take back the Senate as widely predicted and they only gained 9 seats in the House when upwards of 25-28 seats were expected to flip to the Republican side. Republicans also lost Governor's races in purple states such as Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona .... and even lost a Governor's race in Kansas. In particular, Fox News really overhyped Republican candidates in 2022. They did so because they had too much confidence in those right-leaning polls.

Yes you did,,you said two right polls skewed the average, whilst ignoring that left polls do the same.

And as far as polls, you said you would never discuss them again after years of discussing polls for validation.

And 2024 isnt 2022.

 

[hog88]

He gutted the EPA .... with one of his worst cabinet members - Scott Pruitt.

Pruitt was a bad hire but he actually grew the EPA. Their budget increased every single year during his presidency. Yes a few hundred employees quit in 2017 in protest to his election and the appointment of Pruitt but that was their decision.

 

[RockyTop85]

Ok I’ll agree that he handled losing the election terribly.

Now let’s get back to policy, what other right wing stances did he take?

The election stuff was policy. He initiated an investigation of the 2016 election to try to vindicate his claims that unlawfully cast ballots cost him the popular vote and he and his administration lobbied congress to name him president after an election that he lost.

How is that not policy other than the fact that it was too extreme for enough others to go along with it?

 

[hog88]

The election stuff was policy. He initiated an investigation of the 2016 election to try to vindicate his claims that unlawfully cast ballots cost him the popular vote and he and his administration lobbied congress to name him president after an election that he lost.

How is that not policy other than the fact that it was too extreme for enough others to go along with it?

Good grief. These posts were in reply to someone posting that they wanted a centrist, that Trump was too far right.

 

[whodeycin85]

Although, I think that is ridiculous, I won't waste time arguing over it ....

.... other than to say that the manner in which Donald Trump handled losing the 2020 Presidential Election, from the countless lies and frivolous law suits, to the fake elector scheme and publicly pressuring Pence to not include electoral votes during certification from hand-picked states they had lost, and then ultimately culminating with the riot at the Capitol on January 6, 2021 following his "Stop the Steal" rally, will be a lasting part of his legacy .... and it's a shameful stain. He has only himself to blame for that.

Donald Trump loves to play the role of a victim, and his following loves to perceive him as a martyr .... but he is not a victim. Trump is an egomaniac, and a very dishonest person. He has made it impossible to disregard those traits.

I knew you be posting on this...I saw Maddow's emotional Trump rant...and your right in cue

 

[RockyTop85]

Good grief. These posts were in reply to someone posting that they wanted a centrist, that Trump was too far right.

So you’re saying autocracy is a centrist policy in the US? Surely not.

 

[hog88]

So you’re saying autocracy is a centrist position in the US? Surely not.

Another swing and a miss by you. For an autocrat Trump sure bungled covid when people inside and outside of the government on down to the state level were begging him to assume more executive power.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I knew you be posting on this...I saw Maddow's emotional Trump rant...and your right in cue

LOL. I have been saying this for 3 years now ....

There is not a scenario or a set of conditions in which Donald Trump would ever admit that he lost a fair election. Donald Trump will always claim that he was cheated when he loses. He will even claim that he was cheated when he wins. See the 2016 Presidential Election, when he claimed that Hillary Clinton had only received a majority of the popular vote due to illegal immigrants having voted. Of course, that would have meant that close to 3 million people voted illegally, with all of their votes being for Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump supporters, such as yourself, will go along with it every single time, without any consideration ever given to Trump's own lack of integrity and egotistical nature.

At some point before the 2024 Presidential Election, Trump will once again proclaim that, "The only way I can lose this election, is if it was rigged."

^^^^ That is Trump's built-in safety net for losing. ^^^^

Trump's ego is always at the forefront of everything he does .... and yet, his cult must support it and defend it every single time he does it, anyway.

 

[Orangeburst]

Sounds like McAfee doesnt believe defense has sufficient evidence of Wilis Wade relationship was occuring in 2021. Texts and phone data.

 

[RockyTop85]

Another swing and a miss by you. For an autocrat Trump sure bungled covid when people inside and outside of the government on down to the state level were begging him to assume more executive power.

It’s not a swing and a miss, you’re just not capable of a good faith discussion about Donald Trump. (See e.g. this change of subject.)

What word or phrase would you prefer for a head of government who retains power in spite of being ousted by a constitutionally established democratic process? That was the intended policy. You’re saying that’s centrism?

 

[hog88]

It’s not a swing and a miss, you’re just not capable of a good faith discussion about Donald Trump. (See e.g. this change of subject.)

What word or phrase would you prefer for a head of government who retains power in spite of being ousted by a constitutionally established democratic process? That was the intended policy. You’re saying that’s centrism?

You are the one that changed the subject. I had agreed with BB on the election and how Trump handled that. We were trying to discuss actual policy and legislation.

Go crawl back under your rock.

 

[RockyTop85]

You are the one that changed the subject. I had agreed with BB on the election and how Trump handled that. We were trying to discuss actual policy and legislation.

Go crawl back under your rock.

Once again, it is actual policy, it was just too extreme to get it past congress. That is the point.

You cannot defend Donald Trump as some sort of “centrist” without resorting to bad faith.

You have to excuse, ignore, downplay, or somehow avoid the actions he took to try to retain power past the scheduled end of his presidency because those actions defeat any reasonable argument that he was a centrist. The defense of the position requires a resort to unreasonable arguments and/or bad faith, as @hog88 has done, here, by trying to portray Trump’s final efforts as something other than policy and to attempt change the subject when he receives pushback.

There’s no point in discussing Trump’s other policies with someone like this. You will just do the same thing when it comes to more nuanced issues like economic policy, foreign policy, and immigration policy.

It’s like saying Joe Milton is the next Peyton Manning because he’s a 6’5”, 230lb QB with a laser rocket arm and then changing the subject whenever somebody brings up football IQ. Why would anybody even go into a discussion of accuracy at that point? They already won.

 

[RockyTop85]

Because he didn’t accomplish it, therefore it wasn’t Trump policy to repeal Obamacare.

See? He was actually a leftist.

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[85SugarVol]

The more I watch and listen to this judge in the Fani case, the more I keep thinking about how he possibly views all of this nonsense, and what people might conclude from it.

Were Fani & Wade running around out of control?
Were Fani & Wade tarnishing this case?
Were Fani & Wade lying in the proceedings?

If so, they were doing it in HIS courtroom.
And if that’s true, what’s that say about HIM.

He may not be too excited to admit to everyone that he’s been letting a couple wild bucks run rampage in his living room.

 

[BowlBrother85]

The more I watch and listen to this judge in the Fani case, the more I keep thinking about how he possibly views all of this nonsense, and what people might conclude from it.

Were Fani & Wade running around out of control?
Were Fani & Wade tarnishing this case?
Were Fani & Wade lying in the proceedings?

If so, they were doing it in HIS courtroom.
And if that’s true, what’s that say about HIM.

He may not be too excited to admit to everyone that he’s been letting a couple wild bucks run rampage in his living room.

I haven't followed this very closely, but I did think this was funny ....





Basically, the guy who started the whole thing (Wade's divorce attorney), came down with a case of amnesia when he took the witness stand. You can tell the attorney who was questioning him under direct examination was getting frustrated. LOL.

 

[volgr]

The more I watch and listen to this judge in the Fani case, the more I keep thinking about how he possibly views all of this nonsense, and what people might conclude from it.

Were Fani & Wade running around out of control?
Were Fani & Wade tarnishing this case?
Were Fani & Wade lying in the proceedings?

If so, they were doing it in HIS courtroom.
And if that’s true, what’s that say about HIM.

He may not be too excited to admit to everyone that he’s been letting a couple wild bucks run rampage in his living room.

The Judge is in a no win situation. If he takes Fani off this case (which he obviously should), he has no future, the Left will burn him.