The Masters Tournament

#751
#751
IBlvNTmWrk said:
I've actually had a double eagle, and I've also bent an 8 iron (fade, not hook) about 30 yards also from a pine straw lie while playing in a pro-am at Sugar Loaf. The 8 iron shot did exactly what I wanted it to do (a rarity) and hit pin high and then spent to the right of the hole about 10 ft. The double eagle also did what I wanted it to do... it hit the green. The fact that it went in does not in any way make it a BETTER SHOT. It makes it a shot that occurs infrequently.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly believe the 8 iron shot for me required more skill than hitting a 5 wood relatively straight. Would I trade the albatross for the 8 iron shot?... He11 no! But that doesn't make it a better shot or a harder shot to hit... it makes it a good golf shot with an even better break.
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This is exactly the point I've been trying to make.

If we are going on rarity then Adam Scott's ace on 16 is a "better" shot than Bubba's. I don't see people making that argument.
 
#753
#753
govols/cc said:
You either know nothing about golf or have never saw Bubba Watson play.
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You said he bends it like that every time he plays. You know he doesn't. Why lie?

We all know he tends to have some bend. But he does not do what he did on Sunday every time out
 
#755
#755
volinbham said:
If it was 253 then the shot was luck - Oosty was thinking it was 210 to the front. He must have grabbed the wrong club then an gotten lucky since he didn't know his yardages...
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That green is huge. The ball probably rolled 50 yards although not in a straight line.
 
#756
#756
MSUDuo said:
You said he bends it like that every time he plays. You know he doesn't. Why lie?

We all know he tends to have some bend. But he does not do what he did on Sunday every time out
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He has an extreme bend to virtually every shot. The shot he hit on 17 was probably tougher than the one in the playoff.
 
#759
#759
IBlvNTmWrk said:
I've actually had a double eagle, and I've also bent an 8 iron (fade, not hook) about 30 yards also from a pine straw lie while playing in a pro-am at Sugar Loaf. The 8 iron shot did exactly what I wanted it to do (a rarity) and hit pin high and then spent to the right of the hole about 10 ft. The double eagle also did what I wanted it to do... it hit the green. The fact that it went in does not in any way make it a BETTER SHOT. It makes it a shot that occurs infrequently.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly believe the 8 iron shot for me required more skill than hitting a 5 wood relatively straight. Would I trade the albatross for the 8 iron shot?... He11 no! But that doesn't make it a better shot or a harder shot to hit... it makes it a good golf shot with an even better break.
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If bubba had 10 balls to replay the shot he would hit the green 9/10 times. It's much easier to hook a short iron 40 yards than it is to fade it & that much easier considerIng the bend he puts on virtually every shot. I guess you're saying any shot that's executed could be the better shot & a hole out is just rare luck. Hitting a straight forward wedge from 100 yards to 1 foot is probably a better shot than a 253 yard alby.
 
#764
#764
volinbham said:
If it was 253 then the shot was luck - Oosty was thinking it was 210 to the front. He must have grabbed the wrong club then an gotten lucky since he didn't know his yardages...
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Who said it wasn't 210 to the front? He was playing to a firm downhill green & for the ball to release & catch the slope. Tv does not do those greens justice.
 
#765
#765
govols/cc said:
Who said it wasn't 210 to the front? He was playing to a firm downhill green & for the ball to release & catch the slope. Tv does not do those greens justice.
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The greens aren't flat? Who knew?

Oosty said 210 to the front; 235 or so to the hole. I assume he was wrong about the distance to the hole.
 
#766
#766
volinbham said:
The greens aren't flat? Who knew?

Oosty said 210 to the front; 235 or so to the hole. I assume he was wrong about the distance to the hole.
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Everything I saw says 253. I don't think the distance to the hole was a concern for Oosty.
 
#767
#767
govols/cc said:
Bubba had an awesome lie in the pine needles. A 150 yard shot that wasn't terribly difficult to hit the green doesn't trump a 250 yard alby.
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I'm probably beating a dead horse here, but I have to disagree. I can stripe a 5 wood 235 yds to the front of the green much easier than I can hook a 150 yd shot 40 yards. Hooking a 250 yard drive 40 yards isn't difficult, but doing it from a limited window with a gap wedge at that short of a distance is very difficult. Not to mention that he hit it to 15 ft on one of the tougher greens at Augusta.
 
#768
#768
VolStudent247 said:
I'm probably beating a dead horse here, but I have to disagree. I can stripe a 5 wood 235 yds to the front of the green much easier than I can hook a 150 yd shot 40 yards. Hooking a 250 yard drive 40 yards isn't difficult, but doing it from a limited window with a gap wedge at that short of a distance is very difficult. Not to mention that he hit it to 15 ft on one of the tougher greens at Augusta.
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His window wasn't very limited. You think you can hole more shots from 253 than hook a ball on a green from 150 because thats the discussion. He's lucky he got a ton of roll to leave himself such a short shot.
 
#769
#769
govols/cc said:
His window wasn't very limited. You think you can hole more shots from 253 than hook a ball on a green from 150 because thats the discussion. He's lucky he got a ton of roll to leave himself such a short shot.
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I think this is the discrepancy govols, as I don't think this IS the discussion for most. No one at the Masters was trying to hole a 253 yard shot, but Bubba was definitely trying to hook a GW 40 yards to the green.


And do you really want to debate who was luckiest with their "ton of roll" on the green?
 
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#771
#771
IBlvNTmWrk said:
I think this is the discrepancy govols, as I don't think this IS the discussion for most. No one at the Masters was trying to hole a 253 yard shot, but Bubba was definitely trying to hook a GW 40 yards to the green.


And do you really want to debate who was luckiest with their "ton or roll" on the green?
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No he wasn't trying to hole it but he had a target & hit it & the ball went in. I've seen bubba curve wedges 20 yards from 75 yards & in the middle of the fairway.
 
#772
#772
govols/cc said:
No he wasn't trying to hole it but he had a target & hit it & the ball went in. I've seen bubba curve wedges 20 yards from 75 yards & in the middle of the fairway.
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I am still waiting to see your point. I will hand it to you, you can argue with the best of them even when you are clearly wrong. That takes balls :birgits_giggle: and a number of other things
 
#774
#774
govols/cc said:
No he wasn't trying to hole it but he had a target & hit it & the ball went in. I've seen bubba curve wedges 20 yards from 75 yards & in the middle of the fairway.
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Maybe my golf game is old school... but with today's ball technology why would anyone need to curve a wedge 20 yards when they are only 75 yards from the green?
 
#775
#775
IBlvNTmWrk said:
Maybe my golf game is old school... but with today's ball technology why would anyone need to curve a wedge 20 yards when they are only 75 yards from the green?
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I may be mistaken, but I believe Bubba just likes to play that way. Certainly there is no reason for it from out of the middle of the fairway. Then again, some guys feel more comfortable working the ball one way or another. Bubba is an exaggerated version of this type of player, IMHO.
 
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