The Masters

#301
#301
doozer said:
forgive my ignorance, but why couldn't Immelman take relief from the lie he had on 18?
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Divots unfortunately do not fall into the category of places you get to take free relief from. His options were to either play it as it lies or he could have declared it unplayable and taken a 1 shot penalty and gotten a drop.

The dumbest thing I've ever done in a competitive round of golf involved a divot. I hit a drive into a huge divot in the middle of a fairway. I gouged it out, but it squirted dead right and went out of bounds. Without even thinking, I dropped another ball . . . into the same divot which was now deeper since I just hit out of it.
 
#302
#302
doozer said:
forgive my ignorance, but why couldn't Immelman take relief from the lie he had on 18?
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divots aren't ground under repair. there's a pretty good debate in the game about whether they should be sand filled. Payne Stewart got screwed at Olympic in the US Open by a sand filled divot on 18.
 
#304
#304
BigPapaVol said:
divots aren't ground under repair. there's a pretty good debate in the game about whether they should be sand filled. Payne Stewart got screwed at Olympic in the US Open by a sand filled divot on 18.
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would you not rather have it sand filled? are you saying that you could mark and lift your ball, fill the divot with sand, and then place the ball back at your mark? seems like it sucks either way.
 
#305
#305
doozer said:
would you not rather have it sand filled? are you saying that you could mark and lift your ball, fill the divot with sand, and then place the ball back at your mark? seems like it sucks either way.
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You can't do that either though. You have to rely on whoever made the divot to replace it before you get there.
 
#306
#306
volfanbill said:
congrats to Immelman. Mighty big day for him and South Africa.

I was halfway right. I took the field against Tiger and won. I now fully expect a Tiger onslaught like we've never seen. His only pressure is to win all four grand slams in the same season. Now he has no pressure and he can just dominate.
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I just don't like Tiger in the US and British Opens. It takes particular courses and setups to work for him. Tight US Opens and slow green British Opens make it tough on him. I don't like him to dominate like he did in 2000 or the end of last season. His driver just isn't that good.
 
#307
#307
a divot hole is considered a natural part of the course and not an abnormal ground condition. However, I'm with GA, that wasn't just a divot, that was a crater.

Obviously, he could have deemed his ball unplayable and played it as near to the spot as possible, dropped anywhere behind the divot as long as he was in a straight line from his original position and the flagstick, or used two club lengths no closer to the hole. However, that would have cost him one stroke.

Edit: Typing while on the phone has left me way behind on this discussion, but there's my two cents towards doozer's question.
 
#308
#308
doozer said:
would you not rather have it sand filled? are you saying that you could mark and lift your ball, fill the divot with sand, and then place the ball back at your mark? seems like it sucks either way.
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I would prefer no sand. Payne agreed. His argument was that you dont know the depth of the sand, so you have no idea what you're going to get.

For my money, you can get onto the back of the ball better without the sand.
 
#309
#309
BigPapaVol said:
I just don't like Tiger in the US and British Opens. It takes particular courses and setups to work for him. Tight US Opens and slow green British Opens make it tough on him. I don't like him to dominate like he did in 2000 or the end of last season. His driver just isn't that good.
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I really don't know much about Royal Birkdale so I can't argue the British. However, I don't care what they do at Torrey Pines, Tiger can win there.
 
#310
#310
volfanbill said:
I really don't know much about Royal Birkdale so I can't argue the British. However, I don't care what they do at Torrey Pines, Tiger can win there.
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He can win at Torrey, but he better start hitting the driver better. It will be a course he hasn't seen before.
 
#311
#311
i see now.

there were two great displays of knowledge of the rule that stuck out to me this weekend. maybe it had to do with the fact that rules of the game aren't exactly figured into most of my rounds all that much, but i was impressed.

the first was on Friday by the amatuer playing from Alabama. do not recall his name. he ever so slightly moved his ball right before his putt. it wasn't even noticeable until the CBS camera zoomed up on it how minor the movement was. the stroke probably kept him from making the cut.

second was Boo Weekly today on 12 i believe. he remembered to mark his ball before he moved the rake it was lying next to. upon moving the rake, his ball was also moved.

i should probably do a better job of playing by the rules and understanding them better.
 
#312
#312
GAVol said:
Divots unfortunately do not fall into the category of places you get to take free relief from. His options were to either play it as it lies or he could have declared it unplayable and taken a 1 shot penalty and gotten a drop.

The dumbest thing I've ever done in a competitive round of golf involved a divot. I hit a drive into a huge divot in the middle of a fairway. I gouged it out, but it squirted dead right and went out of bounds. Without even thinking, I dropped another ball . . . into the same divot which was now deeper since I just hit out of it.
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now I just feel dumb because I have even helped serve as rules official (with an SRO only a two-way radio call away), but i'm failing to see what you could have done? You have to drop the ball as close to the original spot as possible correct? Unless you are saying you wish you would've taken the unplayable?
 
#313
#313
volfanbill said:
now I just feel dumb because I have even helped serve as rules official (with an SRO only a two-way radio call away), but i'm failing to see what you could have done? You have to drop the ball as close to the original spot as possible correct? Unless you are saying you wish you would've taken the unplayable?
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i think i understand what he was saying but don't think i could explain it.
 
#314
#314
doozer said:
i think i understand what he was saying but don't think i could explain it.
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well i know his only option before hitting OB was an unplayable for certainty and I'm like 95% certain he has to take a drop from where the ball lay on the previous shot as close to the original spot as possible. Not really sure how you could prove otherwise, but he can't purposely aim just left of the divot to my knowledge.
 
#315
#315
by the way, for the majority of the event i was watching with no sound. However it quited down enough for me to hear it while the the leaders were on 14 or so and I swear I heard Verne Lundquist and not Jim Nantz. Was i crazy?
 
#317
#317
volfanbill said:
by the way, for the majority of the event i was watching with no sound. However it quited down enough for me to hear it while the the leaders were on 14 or so and I swear I heard Verne Lundquist and not Jim Nantz. Was i crazy?
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Lundquist still calls the masters
 
#318
#318
BigPapaVol said:
Lundquist still calls the masters
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shows how little i pay attention to announcers in golf. And the more I think about I really don't listen to them at all in golf. Tennis I listen all the time, college bball i do, football not so much, Olympics yes, baseball I love listening to the good announcers.
 
#319
#319
volfanbill said:
shows how little i pay attention to announcers in golf. And the more I think about I really don't listen to them at all in golf. Tennis I listen all the time, college bball i do, football not so much, Olympics yes, baseball I love listening to the good announcers.
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I think lundquist calls one of the holes.

Best announcer today is Faldo, hands down.
 
#320
#320
BigPapaVol said:
I think lundquist calls one of the holes.

Best announcer today is Faldo, hands down.
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i really couldn't tell you. From when I have listened, it's just like golf teachers. there's about 13 different analysts out there all with completely different thoughts and theories so I just started tuning them out and then usually watching while on mute with music playing.
 
#321
#321
Although I despise CBS the majority of the time, their coverage of the Masters is of the highest quality. From their choice of announcers to their limited commercials it's all top notch.

I'm pretty sure that Augusta National has had a prominant say in who does and doesn't work the CBS broadcast.
 
#322
#322
JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
Although I despise CBS the majority of the time, their coverage of the Masters is of the highest quality. From their choice of announcers to their limited commercials it's all top notch.

I'm pretty sure that Augusta National has had a prominant say in who does and doesn't work the CBS broadcast.
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they do have say. Gary McCord will never call another Masters. They also pay (or used to) a substantial amount of money to CBS for the limited commercial interruption.
 
#323
#323
JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
Although I despise CBS the majority of the time, their coverage of the Masters is of the highest quality. From their choice of announcers to their limited commercials it's all top notch.

I'm pretty sure that Augusta National has had a prominant say in who does and doesn't work the CBS broadcast.
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but canning Ben Wright and Gary McCord were mistakes.
 
#324
#324
while the body bags comment was funny, I'd take issue over the bikini waxing comment if i was running the tournament.
 
#325
#325
volfanbill said:
while the body bags comment was funny, I'd take issue over the bikini waxing comment if i was running the tournament.
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but a simple comment would have solved the issue. Instead, you've got the stiff upperlip crows and Tom Watson just being arses about it.
 
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