The Masters

#52
#52
The Dude said:
One the the talking heads on TV said the first cut of rough was cut higher than usual, which will help Tiger because of his recent abysmal driving accuracy. Said it will hold balls instead of them going into the trees/creek.
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playing from the first cut all week will not be helpful to Tiger. The greens won't be soft enough to hold shots from the first cut and distance control is at an enormous premium at Augusta, moreso than any other course in the world.
 
#53
#53
so as I stated, I firmly feel Tiger's Grand Slam march ends as he heads into turn one.

My pick came down to essentially a coin toss between Ogilvy and Justin Rose and I'm going for broke and picking Justin Rose. I also expect a good showing from Mick and Badds.
 
#54
#54
volfanbill said:
so as I stated, I firmly feel Tiger's Grand Slam march ends as he heads into turn one.

My pick came down to essentially a coin toss between Ogilvy and Justin Rose and I'm going for broke and picking Justin Rose. I also expect a good showing from Mick and Badds.
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Easy there. If you'll recall, Tiger's first Masters demolition started with a 40 on the front.

Rose won't be winning this week. Ogilvy has a prayer, Mick and Badds are rough choices.

Basically, if you don't hit a high rocket ball with tons of carry from the tee and high irons, you are at a huge disadvantage this week.

Look for the typical bombers to be at the top of the pile: Tiger, Vijay, Ernie, Mickelson, Ogilvy etc. Any of them can have a rough week by missing fairways or being just a bit off around the greens, but they have a huge homecourt advantage with the current setup.
 
#55
#55
BigPapaVol said:
Easy there. If you'll recall, Tiger's first Masters demolition started with a 40 on the front.

Rose won't be winning this week. Ogilvy has a prayer, Mick and Badds are rough choices.

Basically, if you don't hit a high rocket ball with tons of carry from the tee and high irons, you are at a huge disadvantage this week.

Look for the typical bombers to be at the top of the pile: Tiger, Vijay, Ernie, Mickelson, Ogilvy etc. Any of them can have a rough week by missing fairways or being just a bit off around the greens, but they have a huge homecourt advantage with the current setup.
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I've heard that over and over every April and the weather changes and it all goes for naught. I like badds and I really like Rose.
 
#56
#56
volfanbill said:
I've heard that over and over every April and the weather changes and it all goes for naught. I like badds and I really like Rose.
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Even on the fast course, the bombers have an enormous advantage.

You might go look at the list of winners since the course has become bombers paradise. There aren't many Justin Rose and Baddeley type winners. Moreover, there haven't been many foreign winners (and Weir doesn't count, since he's essentially an American golfer).
 
#58
#58
If it's not Tiger
I'm going with Furyk,

I'd also like to see Bubba Watson and Boo play well..
 
#59
#59
BigPapaVol said:
Even on the fast course, the bombers have an enormous advantage.

You might go look at the list of winners since the course has become bombers paradise. There aren't many Justin Rose and Baddeley type winners. Moreover, there haven't been many foreign winners (and Weir doesn't count, since he's essentially an American golfer).
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Good for history. I like Rose and Baddeley this year, not last year or the five years before that.
 
#60
#60
volfanbill said:
Good for history. I like Rose and Baddeley this year, not last year or the five years before that.
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which part of their games do you like? Certainly their respective records in the stretch run of tournaments bothers you. Surely Baddeley's errant driving is a concern. Why would Rose's putting hold up under this pressure on these greens?

I don't get it.
 
#61
#61
Rose makes his best shots when he's in the most trouble, ie, sand or deep rough. He also doesn't blow up. He just doesn't. Ever.

Badds is a fantastic putter and makes a ton of birdies. Drive for show, putt for dough.
 
#62
#62
volfanbill said:
Rose makes his best shots when he's in the most trouble, ie, sand or deep rough. He also doesn't blow up. He just doesn't. Ever.

Badds is a fantastic putter and makes a ton of birdies. Drive for show, putt for dough.
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players living from trouble at Augusta are not vying for the title. some might make some great shots, but you're not going to do it repeatedly.

Augusta now puts an enormous premium on ballstriking as it does the short game. He comes up way short on the ballstriking front.

The guy that wins the Masters this week will control his distances very well, lag putt well, hit many fairways and make a truckload of 6-8 footers. The lone caveat being Tiger because he can flat make more putts than everyone else.
 
#63
#63
BigPapaVol said:
players living from trouble at Augusta are not vying for the title. some might make some great shots, but you're not going to do it repeatedly.

Augusta now puts an enormous premium on ballstriking as it does the short game. He comes up way short on the ballstriking front.

The guy that wins the Masters this week will control his distances very well, lag putt well, hit many fairways and make a truckload of 6-8 footers. The lone caveat being Tiger because he can flat make more putts than everyone else.
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we'll see. Making the first cut higher definitely helps Rose and Badds will make a truckload of 6-8 footers.
 
#64
#64
volfanbill said:
we'll see. Making the first cut higher definitely helps Rose and Badds will make a truckload of 6-8 footers.
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I think the first cut hurts both guys immensely. It will also hurt Tiger, but he has the strength and ballflight to deal with it to some degree.
 
#65
#65
Tiger is not anywhere near as good as Rose at getting out of trouble. That is his strong suit above all others. Rose definitely has the advantage over just about everyone else with the higher first cut, including Tiger.
 
#67
#67
volfanbill said:
Tiger is not anywhere near as good as Rose at getting out of trouble. That is his strong suit above all others. Rose definitely has the advantage over just about everyone else with the higher first cut, including Tiger.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Tiger is the best in the world, ever, at getting out of trouble.

I don't care who the player is really, those planning to get out of trouble better at the Masters are going to depart without the jacket.

Augusta is about controlling the golf ball and nobody does it well from the first cut. However, Tiger does it better than everyone else from the first cut.
 
#68
#68
volfanbill said:
we also all know that Tiger is not a very accurate driver
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But his inaccurate drives are longer than everyone else's so he gets to use a shorter recovery club, he misses in the right spots and he putts better than everyone else. I'd say that makes him better from the rough and trouble spots than everyone else.

If Mr. Rose spends the week proving that he's good from trouble, his will only be 2 days long (3 if he participates in the Par 3 contest).
 
#69
#69
BigPapaVol said:
But his inaccurate drives are longer than everyone else's so he gets to use a shorter recovery club, he misses in the right spots and he putts better than everyone else. I'd say that makes him better from the rough and trouble spots than everyone else.

If Mr. Rose spends the week proving that he's good from trouble, his will only be 2 days long (3 if he participates in the Par 3 contest).
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Tiger isn't God BPV. And Rose doesn't spend all day in trouble. He's just better at getting out of trouble than Tiger. Anyone who spends all day getting out of trouble is going nowhere, but when Rose does miss, he's not in that bad of shape. Tiger's driver can and has failed him before.
 
#70
#70
volfanbill said:
Tiger isn't God BPV. And Rose doesn't spend all day in trouble. He's just better at getting out of trouble than Tiger. Anyone who spends all day getting out of trouble is going nowhere, but when Rose does miss, he's not in that bad of shape. Tiger's driver can and has failed him before.
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I don't think Tiger's a god and am not really a fan of his, but if he walked out one morning to build a course that best suits him over everyone else, it would be Augusta. He now hits the draw as his base shot, he hits it high, long and has the strength to deal with rough well. Around the greens, he is the best there is. Super fast greens magnify his advantage. I actually have the field against Tiger this week (no cash, just an interesting wager with a friend) and would love to see him go down, but he has to be the overwhelming favorite at Augusta for the next 10 years.

Rose hasn't ever won in America (that I can recall right now), though he's now been playing here for several years. He doesn't have any particular facet of his game that I would call top shelf (though you point out that he's solid at recovery). He is a very good all around player and I would like to see him win some, but I just don't see him as suited for this course in this condition. I know he played well in the majors last season and that's reason for hope, but I'm just not buying it.

Where do you get that Rose is better at getting out of trouble than Tiger? and even if he is, he needs to be because he's in it more. Talk about Tiger's driver all you want, but he has no peer with the irons. He stays right at the top of GIR every year, even when he was hitting sub 60 fairways. IMO, that's getting out of trouble. If you're talking about trouble around the greens, Rose might be better at scrambling, but who cares? Guys scrambling for pars are guys losing tournaments.

Finally, Rose and Baddeley both have the weight of winning a major to overcome. None of the other very good bombers have that little problem.
 
#71
#71
I don't see badds in the top ten. Rose may get in the top ten but I definantly don't see him winning. Furyk does have a shot but he will double up on 13 or something to lose on sunday. I'm still predicting a top 10 finish for freddy C. I wonder if a guy like Chris Demarco could actually do something...however, for my money it's Tiger over everyone else.
 
#72
#72
crazyguy said:
I don't see badds in the top ten. Rose may get in the top ten but I definantly don't see him winning. Furyk does have a shot but he will double up on 13 or something to lose on sunday. I'm still predicting a top 10 finish for freddy C. I wonder if a guy like Chris Demarco could actually do something...however, for my money it's Tiger over everyone else.
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DiMarco hasn't been putting well enough lately to really get anything done this week.

Boom Boom could be a factor with his ballstriking, but his putting will doom him at crunch time, should he get to crunch time. He doesn't do 3-4 footers well and almost everything on Sunday is a 3-4 footer.
 
#73
#73
BigPapaVol said:
DiMarco hasn't been putting well enough lately to really get anything done this week.

Boom Boom could be a factor with his ballstriking, but his putting will doom him at crunch time, should he get to crunch time. He doesn't do 3-4 footers well and almost everything on Sunday is a 3-4 footer.
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Well it would take a special week of putting from Dimarco. your right about Freddy...it would be pretty sweet to see him in contention though.
 
#74
#74
crazyguy said:
Well it would take a special week of putting from Dimarco. your right about Freddy...it would be pretty sweet to see him in contention though.
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I'll leave my normal Sat & Sunday perch to follow Couples if he's playing well.
 
#75
#75
FV,

I can hit the **** out of a driver, but it doesn't go straight. I'd rather hit it straight 100 yards less.
 
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