The math suggests we are headed for civil war

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lawgator1 said:
Federal:

1) The only Republican to win the popular vote for President in 20 years was George W. Bush, who got only 3 million more votes than Kerry.

2) Biden beat Trump in the popular vote by 7 million.

3) In 2022, everyone expected a major Republican victory as to the House, and they barely got the majority.

4) All 435 seats are up for vote in 2024, and the trend for the GOP is not good.


State

1) Republicans control 56 chambers of state legislatures, the Dems 41.

2) Republicans have 26 governorships, the Dems 24.


We see a lot of rancor at the state levels right now from Republicans resisting federal direction. If the trends continue and the federal government becomes increasingly Dem, while the state become increasingly GOP, how long until a state like Arkansas, or a governor like DeSantis, declares independence from the federal government? And other GOP states would rapidly follow suit.

I don't think it will be real soon, maybe not in the next 10 years for example. But 25 years from now? If the trends continue?
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This math of yours is incorrect buddy.
 
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Go aeiou said:
What information did I post that is incorrect?
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You implied that we mistakenly do not allow the popular vote to determine the Presidency. I am glad you know about the electoral college. The electoral college was set up precisely so that we do not elect a President by popular vote. That was the design. It is not a defect.

Secondly, you stated "it all started with slavery". Please share what started and how it started with slavery since you posted that.

Next you posted "And a wyoming vote equals about 4 times a california vote. " Please explain in what context you see this happening and I will try to explain it to you.
 
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Go aeiou said:
It all goes back to slavery.
And a wyoming vote equals about 4 times a california vote.

America: where it's not one person one vote. At least for president.
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Then presidential candidates need to campaign in all 50 states with the intention of winning all 50.

If things were flipped and NYC, LA, Chicago, etc tended to vote overwhelmingly republican, the democrats would love the electoral college and how it levels the playing field for presidential elections.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Federal:

1) The only Republican to win the popular vote for President in 20 years was George W. Bush, who got only 3 million more votes than Kerry.

2) Biden beat Trump in the popular vote by 7 million.

3) In 2022, everyone expected a major Republican victory as to the House, and they barely got the majority.

4) All 435 seats are up for vote in 2024, and the trend for the GOP is not good.


State

1) Republicans control 56 chambers of state legislatures, the Dems 41.

2) Republicans have 26 governorships, the Dems 24.


We see a lot of rancor at the state levels right now from Republicans resisting federal direction. If the trends continue and the federal government becomes increasingly Dem, while the state become increasingly GOP, how long until a state like Arkansas, or a governor like DeSantis, declares independence from the federal government? And other GOP states would rapidly follow suit.

I don't think it will be real soon, maybe not in the next 10 years for example. But 25 years from now? If the trends continue?
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We are going to have a civil war because one party is hell bent on flooding the nation with individuals who solely rely on the government for everything, and another who is content to let it happen. Common sense is in short supply and most voters are too stupid to vote. The working class continues to get screwed. I cannot comprehend how anyone with an ounce of sanity could support 99% of our political leaders. Most aren’t qualified to run a McDonalds
 
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Go aeiou said:
It all goes back to slavery.
And a wyoming vote equals about 4 times a california vote.

America: where it's not one person one vote. At least for president.
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Man, that is their life line to relevance.
 
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Go aeiou said:
It all goes back to slavery.
And a wyoming vote equals about 4 times a california vote.

America: where it's not one person one vote. At least for president.
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I think the key is to stop looking at our country as “America”.

We are the United States of America. If more people understood that, they wouldn’t be constantly pushing for the Federal Government to make all the decisions.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Do you not know that the US system of government is not a democracy?
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Go aeiou said:
Where did I say it is a democracy?
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It doesn't mater what you actually said, the only thing that really maters is what they claim you said.
They do it constantly. It's how they delude themselves into thinking they've made a point.
 
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85SugarVol said:
And you would like it severed? Yay or nay?
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I think the electoral votes of each state should be cast in proportion to the popular vote in that state.
Winner takes all seems counterproductive, proportional splitting keeps states which are not purple (about 42 states) much more relevant.
 
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luthervol said:
I think the electoral votes of each state should be cast in proportion to the popular vote in that state.
Winner takes all seems counterproductive, proportional splitting keeps states which are not purple (about 42 states) much more relevant.
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You could just say yes.
 
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The American system of government is a shared dictatorship between corporates and the elitists politician-puppets they buy. With approval of citizens too dumb to comprehend they're just manipulated pawns to further enrich the elitists. So, it's only a matter of time before we self-destruct and our enemies waltz in, pick up the pieces, take over, and a good portion of us kiss their patooties for doing so.

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lawgator1 said:
Federal:

1) The only Republican to win the popular vote for President in 20 years was George W. Bush, who got only 3 million more votes than Kerry.

2) Biden beat Trump in the popular vote by 7 million.

3) In 2022, everyone expected a major Republican victory as to the House, and they barely got the majority.

4) All 435 seats are up for vote in 2024, and the trend for the GOP is not good.


State

1) Republicans control 56 chambers of state legislatures, the Dems 41.

2) Republicans have 26 governorships, the Dems 24.


We see a lot of rancor at the state levels right now from Republicans resisting federal direction. If the trends continue and the federal government becomes increasingly Dem, while the state become increasingly GOP, how long until a state like Arkansas, or a governor like DeSantis, declares independence from the federal government? And other GOP states would rapidly follow suit.

I don't think it will be real soon, maybe not in the next 10 years for example. But 25 years from now? If the trends continue?
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It’s amazing what you can do with unsolicited ballots and not having to show up and vote. Then there’s that “helping hand” who make sure they’re cast in their favor.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Federal:

1) The only Republican to win the popular vote for President in 20 years was George W. Bush, who got only 3 million more votes than Kerry.

2) Biden beat Trump in the popular vote by 7 million.

3) In 2022, everyone expected a major Republican victory as to the House, and they barely got the majority.

4) All 435 seats are up for vote in 2024, and the trend for the GOP is not good.


State

1) Republicans control 56 chambers of state legislatures, the Dems 41.

2) Republicans have 26 governorships, the Dems 24.


We see a lot of rancor at the state levels right now from Republicans resisting federal direction. If the trends continue and the federal government becomes increasingly Dem, while the state become increasingly GOP, how long until a state like Arkansas, or a governor like DeSantis, declares independence from the federal government? And other GOP states would rapidly follow suit.

I don't think it will be real soon, maybe not in the next 10 years for example. But 25 years from now? If the trends continue?
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Sounds like we need to reduce the power and influence of the federal govt over the daily lives of Americans. Get away from people on one side of the US using the federal govt to manipulate the lives of people on the other side of the US. Let California be California. Let Tennessee be Tennessee. Let Texas, Florida, and NY be what the people of Texas, Florida, and New York want them to be. Stop having people from California try to control the daily lives of Tennesseeans. Stop Texans from trying to control the lives of New Yorkers.

Decentralize that power.
 
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85SugarVol said:
You could just say yes.
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That wasn't a yes.
Unless you think electoral votes for each state being distributed proportionally is severing the republican life line.

And if that's what you think, that is pretty telling.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Literally cannot start a thread without mentioning Trump.

Rent free
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There are currently living/breathing Americans who just gave Trump 4 million dollars for his defense fund.
That's not rent free, these morons are actually paying him to live in their heads.
 
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luthervol said:
That wasn't a yes.
Unless you think electoral votes for each state being distributed proportionally is severing the republican life line.

And if that's what you think, that is pretty telling.
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Life line? The GOP controls the house and the senate is basically even. You are living in crazy town.
 
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luthervol said:
Where did you come from and what are you talking about?
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You have claimed that the GOP life line to relevance is the electoral college. That seems like a terrible argument when the GOP controls the house and the senate is margin thin. This country is 50/50. And the wins are in the margins of crazy.
 
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volfanhill said:
You have claimed that the GOP life line to relevance is the electoral college. That seems like a terrible argument when the GOP controls the house and the senate is margin thin. This country is 50/50. And the wins are in the margins of crazy.
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The repubs have won the majority vote in only one presidential election since 1992. (that's one in 30 years)
They lost in 2020 by 7 million votes.
 
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luthervol said:
The repubs have won the majority vote in only one presidential election since 1992. (that's one in 30 years)
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Why are you citing something that doesn't matter? They aren't struggling in national, state, or local elections. You have a stupid belief that the electoral college keeps them relevant. But hey like the 2A there is a method you can use to change it. Have fun. Good luck.
 
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