The math suggests we are headed for civil war

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volfanhill said:
Why are you citing something that doesn't matter? They aren't struggling in national, state, or local elections. You have a stupid belief that the electoral college keeps them relevant. But hey like the 2A there is a method you can use to change it. Have fun. Good luck.
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We were talking about the electoral college being a life line for the republicans being able to win a presidential election.
What is it you're missing???
 
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luthervol said:
We were talking about the electoral college being a life line for the republicans being able to win a presidential election.
What is it you're missing???
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I may have misunderstood. I thought you were claiming the GOP was only relevant on the national level bc of the electoral college
 
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volfanhill said:
I may have misunderstood. I thought you were claiming the GOP was only relevant on the national level bc of the electoral college
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That's okay. I'm easy to misunderstand.
I was only talking about presidential elections.
 
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Will we be discussing how the federal government illegally usurped the power of the states, or no?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Federal:

1) The only Republican to win the popular vote for President in 20 years was George W. Bush, who got only 3 million more votes than Kerry.

2) Biden beat Trump in the popular vote by 7 million.

3) In 2022, everyone expected a major Republican victory as to the House, and they barely got the majority.

4) All 435 seats are up for vote in 2024, and the trend for the GOP is not good.


State

1) Republicans control 56 chambers of state legislatures, the Dems 41.

2) Republicans have 26 governorships, the Dems 24.


We see a lot of rancor at the state levels right now from Republicans resisting federal direction. If the trends continue and the federal government becomes increasingly Dem, while the state become increasingly GOP, how long until a state like Arkansas, or a governor like DeSantis, declares independence from the federal government? And other GOP states would rapidly follow suit.

I don't think it will be real soon, maybe not in the next 10 years for example. But 25 years from now? If the trends continue?
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Thats because we have one group who wants to be left alone. Then we have another group who want nothing more than to bend to their overlords.
While we the people are divided the elitists line their pockets with millions. No politician should ever come out with a higher net worth than they came in with.
 
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hog88 said:
And repealing the 16th and 17th amendments.

Reduce the size scope and power of the federal government and everything would be good.
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This would solve so much.

Honestly, I wish Americans would wake up, remove their heads from their sphincters, and realize it is our two-party system that has driven this idea that the federal government should have more power than was intended. Washington said political parties would tear this country apart, and he wasn't wrong.
 
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Weezer said:
This would solve so much.

Honestly, I wish Americans would wake up, remove their heads from their sphincters, and realize it is our two-party system that has driven this idea that the federal government should have more power than was intended. Washington said political parties would tear this country apart, and he wasn't wrong.
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Seems like the perfect conditions for a 3rd party that positions itself in the middle. I would love to see a few big name moderates from each party join together. There needs to be something that encourages movement to the center instead of toward the extremes.
 
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luthervol said:
Seems like the perfect conditions for a 3rd party that positions itself in the middle. I would love to see a few big name moderates from each party join together. There needs to be something that encourages movement to the center instead of toward the extremes.
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Or no political parties. Elected officials should serve their constituents, not a political party. We've abandoned the notion that politicians are meant to serve the will of the people. It's a notion this country was founded upon.
 
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Weezer said:
Or no political parties. Elected officials should serve their constituents, not a political party. We've abandoned the notion that politicians are meant to serve the will of the people. It's a notion this country was founded upon.
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See when Trump ran. For the first time it felt that there was 2 parties. Both majority of both parties hated him. Which means to me that they are 1 uni party and everyone else is opposition
 
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Weezer said:
Or no political parties. Elected officials should serve their constituents, not a political party. We've abandoned the notion that politicians are meant to serve the will of the people. It's a notion this country was founded upon.
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None would be great, but a valid third party may be more realistic.
Either would be an improvement.
 
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I have always hoped we would eventually see a well-mannered, conservative, and wise President that is not controlled by party politics and special interest money. What we have seen recently pretty much guarantees you that no one from outside the Uniparty will ever step foot in the Oval office.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I have always hoped we would eventually see a well-mannered, conservative, and wise President that is not controlled by party politics and special interest money. What we have seen recently pretty much guarantees you that no one from outside the Uniparty will ever step foot in the Oval office.
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Outsiders need not apply they will destroy you.
 
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luthervol said:
Seems like the perfect conditions for a 3rd party that positions itself in the middle. I would love to see a few big name moderates from each party join together. There needs to be something that encourages movement to the center instead of toward the extremes.
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Step one, get rid of corporate lobbyists' access to our elected officials.
 
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hog88 said:
Absolutely, the federal government should be something that the majority of Americans rarely think about and don’t care what party is in power because it’s inconsequential to our daily lives.
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This right here^^^^

The federal government needs it wings clipped badly. It should be less than 20 percent the size it is now.
 
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Go aeiou said:
How did trump get elected with fewer votes?
So yes, the US is not a democracy.
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Right. We don't want a democracy. Democracy is mob rule.

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MG1968 said:
It’s cute that you think only republicans gerrymander.
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Where did he ever say he thinks only republicans gerrymander?

Good grief, I swear you guys have completely lost you ability for independent thought
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I have always hoped we would eventually see a well-mannered, conservative, and wise President that is not controlled by party politics and special interest money. What we have seen recently pretty much guarantees you that no one from outside the Uniparty will ever step foot in the Oval office.
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If these was a candidate from outside of the "uniparty" who wasn't a horrendously despicable human, they would stand a much better chance. Trump actually set the "outsider" movement back immeasurable because that movement is now tainted with his stench.
 
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luthervol said:
Where did he ever say he thinks only republicans gerrymander?

Good grief, I swear you guys have completely lost you ability for independent thought
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His posting history and lack of criticism directed at democrats doing the same thing he accuses republicans of doing warranted his being called out on his ********.
 
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Another Civil War is highly doubtful (states v federal). The possibility of individuals v federal government is more likely, in my eyes. At some point, people need to realize that you could put most of the politicians in a bag, draw them out, and tell them what to say, and you would not be able to tell if they were a Democrat or Republican. Our leadership is broken.

Now, what I see as more likely to happen, or conditions are prime for I should say, is a legitimate third party to form and be successful. Truth be told, the two parties now tend to cater to the far right and left. Most people are tired of the pandering to the small interests groups and could care less what a consenting adult does. They are also tired of the ineptitude of our government, brought on largely by corruption on both sides. Most people believe in term limits, taking care of our citizens, and providing the children of this nation with a better life than we have had (not that it’s been terrible). In my opinion, the middle of America is vastly underserved and underrepresented in the government.
 
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