The Matt Walsh Thread

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#176
Bassmaster_Vol said:
Bro, you are embarrassing yourself... You know nothing about any of these translations. The KJV doesn't say what you claimed either....
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Do you not see what's happening here? They did exactly what I said they did, but to the Nth degree. They reacted to the feminist movement + Roe v Wade and literally changed the words of the Bible.
 
#177
#177
Bassmaster_Vol said:
Huff is apparently a conspiracy theorist who believes that the NIV and ESV purposefully mistranslated the passage he misquoted in order to support Roe V Wade. You can't make this up.
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There is no conspiracy required to publish a book. It's just people following their incentives.
 
#179
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The Geneva Bible, which predates the KJV

Also if men strive and hurt a woman with child, so that her child depart from her and death follow not, he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband shall appoint him, or he shall pay as the Judges determine.

23 But if death follow, then thou shalt pay life for life.

24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

but they changed the words of the Bible!
 
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n_huffhines said:
Do you not see what's happening here? They did exactly what I said they did, but to the Nth degree. They reacted to the feminist movement + Roe v Wade and literally changed the words of the Bible.
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Seems like there are some older versions that have similar translations to his, but some of the commentaries explain that this is due to disagreement about whether the first situation describes what we call a miscarriage with the second relating only to the injury or death of the mother or whether the first means prompting a live birth with the second applying to both mother and fetus.

Exodus 21 - NIV
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Seems like there are some older versions that have similar translations to his, but some of the commentaries explain that this is due to disagreement about whether the first situation describes what we call a miscarriage with the second relating only to the injury or death of the mother or whether the first means prompting a live birth with the second applying to both mother and fetus.

Exodus 21 - NIV
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the KJV is the same, except the word “harm” is “mischief” in the KJV. Mischief is a Hebrew word that can be translated as, you guessed it, harm, as the other translations have it, or death. They wouldn’t translate death because its obvious punishment would be for more than just the death.

There is an interpretative issue there, most commentators believe it is talking about harm to mother and child. But again, that isn’t the point. Huff misquoted the Bible, likely because he had never actually read the Bible but someone said something about it on the internet, and then refused to admit his error, and instead went with the conspiracy theory that modern translations were changed due to roe v wade.

He tried to use the Bible to argue that a baby in the womb isn’t a baby, failed miserably, and then couldn’t handle it. period
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Seems like there are some older versions that have similar translations to his, but some of the commentaries explain that this is due to disagreement about whether the first situation describes what we call a miscarriage with the second relating only to the injury or death of the mother or whether the first means prompting a live birth with the second applying to both mother and fetus.

Exodus 21 - NIV
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It's odd that this important question should be left up to such confusing wording. 11 commandments could have fit on the tablets and would have prevented a lot of "murder."
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
the KJV is the same, except the word “harm” is “mischief” in the KJV. Mischief is a Hebrew word that can be translated as, you guessed it, harm, as the other translations have it, or death. They wouldn’t translate death because its obvious punishment would be for more than just the death.

There is an interpretative issue there, most commentators believe it is talking about harm to mother and child. But again, that isn’t the point. Huff misquoted the Bible, likely because he had never actually read the Bible but someone said something about it on the internet, and then refused to admit his error, and instead went with the conspiracy theory that modern translations were changed due to roe v wade.

He tried to use the Bible to argue that a baby in the womb isn’t a baby, failed miserably, and then couldn’t handle it. period
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It's pretty different. It doesn't say "so that her children come out" it says "so that her fruit depart from her."

And the commas are different in the KJV version, which is why people think it's talking about mischief to Mother.

n_huffhines said:
It's odd that this important question should be left up to such confusing wording. 11 commandments could have fit on the tablets and would have prevented a lot of "murder."
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n_huffhines said:
It's pretty different. It doesn't say "so that her children come out" it says "so that her fruit depart from her."

And the commas are different in the KJV version, which is why people think it's talking about mischief to Mother.
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Buddy, you misquoted the scripture. I’m not going to spend time on here debating with you it’s meaning. You can’t even admit you were wrong in misquoting it. I’m not wasting anymore time there.

Besides, the Bible has a lot to say about children in the womb, and none of those come anywhere close to denying the fact that the baby in the womb is a human life. In fact, the Bible argues that the child in the womb is created in the image of God and is known by Him.

that’s all that needs to be said.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
And then Justice would be served and those who murder will be punished. You know, like every other murderer. Then less babies would be murdered. Not sure why that’s hard to understand.
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You must be referring to a non-Earthy realm because you will not be in power to enforce Earthly laws (which result in more babies being murdered).
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's odd that this important question should be left up to such confusing wording. 11 commandments could have fit on the tablets and would have prevented a lot of "murder."
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The Bible is full of stories about Jesus showing up the pinheads who tried to make dogmatic rules for everybody else. The bottom line message is one of inevitable failure followed by forgiveness.

I don’t think it was meant to be a strict guide for how to judge others. More of a loose guide for how to try to live your own life.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The Bible is full of stories about Jesus showing up the pinheads who tried to make dogmatic rules for everybody else. The bottom line message is one of inevitable failure followed by forgiveness.

I don’t think it was meant to be a strict guide for how to judge others. More of a loose guide for how to try to live your own life.
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How does one receive forgiveness in your view?
 
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#188
Bassmaster_Vol said:
Buddy, you misquoted the scripture. I’m not going to spend time on here debating with you it’s meaning. You can’t even admit you were wrong in misquoting it. I’m not wasting anymore time there.

Besides, the Bible has a lot to say about children in the womb, and none of those come anywhere close to denying the fact that the baby in the womb is a human life. In fact, the Bible argues that the child in the womb is created in the image of God and is known by Him.

that’s all that needs to be said.
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Yeah, none of this means that abortion at 8 weeks is murder.

At some point, it becomes murder. At some point, the fetus becomes a conscious human with thoughts, emotions, etc., and it is viable outside the womb. That's when it is murder. God had the whole Bible to clarify this point and he didn't. Instead, we got you calling people murderers because a fetus is in the image of God, whatever that means in this context. Cool, dude. Really sound reasoning for a vile accusation.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, none of this means that abortion at 8 weeks is murder.

At some point, it becomes murder. At some point, the fetus becomes a conscious human with thoughts, emotions, etc., and it is viable outside the womb. That's when it is murder. God had the whole Bible to clarify this point and he didn't. Instead, we got you calling people murderers because a fetus is in the image of God, whatever that means in this context. Cool, dude. Really sound reasoning for a vile accusation.
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Again, you brought the Bible into this, you wrongly misquoted it, and now are too arrogant to admit it. It’s okay
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
You read the Bible? You say you know the message of the Bible but can’t say how we receive forgiveness of sins?
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Or consider this alternative:

I’ve read a few of your posts and don’t have any interest in having that conversation with you.

I’ll let you decide which is more likely.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Or consider this alternative:

I’ve read a few of your posts and don’t have any interest in having that conversation with you.

I’ll let you decide which is more likely.
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You made a strong statement back there. You have the ability to tell people who you say will fail, as it is inevitable, and you’re right btw, but you wont say how to receive forgiveness?

im wondering if you know. Bc I’d like to tell you if you don’t.
 
#195
#195
Bassmaster_Vol said:
Again, you brought the Bible into this, you wrongly misquoted it, and now are too arrogant to admit it. It’s okay
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You keep saying "misquote" but I didn't quote it. I interpreted it. I could just as easily say you misquoted it, and I'd be wrong, because that's not the right word.

I can admit that there are two different ways to interpret this scripture. Can you? Or are you too arrogant? Can you admit that the Bible is not clear about abortion? Too arrogant?
 
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n_huffhines said:
You keep saying "misquote" but I didn't quote it. I interpreted it. I could just as easily say you misquoted it, and I'd be wrong, because that's not the right word.

I can admit that there are two different ways to interpret this scripture. Can you? Or are you too arrogant? Can you admit that the Bible is not clear about abortion? Too arrogant?
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No that’s not what you did. That’s revisionist history and you know it. Not worth my time further.
 
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