The Ministry of Truth thread

#426
#426
BowlBrother85 said:
Trump does apply, because even though his threat was not actionable, the purpose behind his threat was still the advocating of government censorship. How do you go from that, to being a champion of free speech? That is inconsistent.
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It is wrong for a news media to knowingly publish or broadcast false information; however, since most news only amounts to opinion anyway, there's apparently an out for them. The bigger issue is who gets to decide what's true and what isn't. That's reasonably straight forward if things are simple and factual, but we also know from experience that that just leads to telling parts of the story and leaving other parts out. Basically if you don't actually witness something, I probably wouldn't put much credibility in what you think you know.
 
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#427
#427
BowlBrother85 said:
Trump does apply, because even though his threat was not actionable, the purpose behind his threat was still the advocating of government censorship. How do you go from that, to being a champion of free speech? That is inconsistent.
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There is a difference between talking and action.....talking without action is meaningless. Action without talking is impactful...doing both is impactful...if i talk about punching you....it mean nothing..if i do indeed punch you then that is worse......but Trump doesn't apply because no ACTION was taken
 
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#428
#428
whodeycin85 said:
There is a difference between talking and action.....talking without action is meaningless. Action without talking is impactful...doing both is impactful...if i talk about punching you....it mean nothing..if i do indeed punch you then that is worse......but Trump doesn't apply because no ACTION was taken
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No action could have been taken. Neither CNN or NBC hold broadcast licenses.
 
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hog88 said:
No action could have been taken. Neither CNN or NBC hold broadcast licenses.
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... but it's the principle behind his message. He was advocating in favor of censorship, after having just complained about being censored by Twitter. The guy is an idiot, who doesn't realize when he is being a hypocrite.
 
#434
#434
BowlBrother85 said:
@Gandalf

^^^^ This is exactly what I was talking about. It does not matter that Trump was threatening a government-authorized censorship of networks, in what would be a clear violation of the 1st Amendment. In the mind of a Trump supporter / conservative / Republican, he was right to do it.

Is there any doubt this same poster, @Caculator, would approve of "The Ministry of Truth", if it was Trump who had created it? There shouldn't be. This poster would find a reason to justify it ... if it was Trump's agency.

This is selective outrage. Censorship is just like deficit spending. It only bothers Trump supporters, Republicans, and conservatives when Democrats and liberals are the ones doing it.
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I will give you that the progressives have so perverted the very institutions of governance for so long that some conservatives may sometimes mistake a Republican usage of the same methods as justified. That should not be, however, it also requires us to be utterly ruthless in our actions, especially against those who claim to lead us.

Trump should not have made such a statement. His instinct was right - that agencies that have become partisan propaganda arms of a specific political party no longer should enjoy the protections of being a "news" organization. His approach to remedy, however, was incorrect. Although to be more accurate, Trump probably had no idea what he was actually saying regarding the licenses nor any direct intent to follow through but still it was not the right call.
 
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Gandalf said:
I will give you that the progressives have so perverted the very institutions of governance for so long that some conservatives may sometimes mistake a Republican usage of the same methods as justified. That should not be, however, it also requires us to be utterly ruthless in our actions, especially against those who claim to lead us.

Trump should not have made such a statement. His instinct was right - that agencies that have become partisan propaganda arms of a specific political party no longer should enjoy the protections of being a "news" organization. His approach to remedy, however, was incorrect. Although to be more accurate, Trump probably had no idea what he was actually saying regarding the licenses nor any direct intent to follow through but still it was not the right call.
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Trying to make the argument that Republicans are just copying Democrats when they abuse the powers of their office either with actions or idle threats, is ignorant of modern American political history.

No President has ever been so eager to use the powers of his office to settle scores with enemies, and dig up dirt on opponents as Richard Nixon. Your "perverted the very institutions of governance" is comical. Nixon and John Mitchell perverted the hell out of the Department of Justice.
 
#437
#437
BowlBrother85 said:
Trying to make the argument that Republicans are just copying Democrats when they abuse the powers of their office either with actions or idle threats, is ignorant of modern American political history.

No President has ever been so eager to use the powers of his office to settle scores with enemies, and dig up dirt on opponents as Richard Nixon. Your "perverted the very institutions of governance" is comical. Nixon and John Mitchell perverted the hell out of the Department of Justice.
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But its no longer just the President or even the main leaders. Its every. single. person. and department. Look at what happened in the FBI, in the national security agency, this most recent leak on the supreme court. There is no longer a sense of working for an institution.

Whether it is a corporation, a law school, a pre school, a government agency - all of them are just places to be infiltrated to do the real work, which is to use the institution to promote the ideological religion you adhere to.
 
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#444
Gandalf said:
His instinct was right - that agencies that have become partisan propaganda arms of a specific political party no longer should enjoy the protections of being a "news" organization.
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I would enjoy seeing this happen. Clear definition of what qualifies as news, with channel based separation from the infotainment/political bootlicking happy fun shows.

Then we'd see the Nielsen ratings point to everyone skipping the verified news channel and flocking to the bootlicker stations for all of their "information"
 
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#447
AshG said:
I would enjoy seeing this happen. Clear definition of what qualifies as news, with channel based separation from the infotainment/political bootlicking happy fun shows.

Then we'd see the Nielsen ratings point to everyone skipping the verified news channel and flocking to the bootlicker stations for all of their "information"
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How would people even deal with news - just plain fact? They've been fed opinion or "what the 'facts' mean" for so long, I don't think they could stand unadulterated fact in their diets. I'm concerned that the nation has been on such a fatty diet of pap that the intellectual digestive system is incapable of hard core fact and digestion which would lead to further cranial/rectal inversion and constipation. Worse, the zombie left would probably be the sole surviving species.
 
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#448
AM64 said:
How would people even deal with news - just plain fact? They've been fed opinion or "what the 'facts' mean" for so long, I don't think they could stand unadulterated fact in their diets. I'm concerned that the nation has been on such a fatty diet of pap that the intellectual digestive system is incapable of hard core fact and digestion which would lead to further cranial/rectal inversion and constipation. Worse, the zombie left would probably be the sole surviving species.
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but what would we do without dimwits who wig out and start threads bashing things like... say the covington maga kids harassing native americans based on what they saw on clown news network?
 
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#449
#449
AshG said:
I would enjoy seeing this happen. Clear definition of what qualifies as news, with channel based separation from the infotainment/political bootlicking happy fun shows.

Then we'd see the Nielsen ratings point to everyone skipping the verified news channel and flocking to the bootlicker stations for all of their "information"
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You would have to find a "verified news channel" first. Can you actually name any? I can't think of any off hand that dont have a considerable amount of bootlicking going on. Mind you, everyone understands (or should) that Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow dont report the news so much as comment on it. But there are supposed to be actual, factual news reporting going on somewhere.
 
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Gandalf said:
You would have to find a "verified news channel" first. Can you actually name any? I can't think of any off hand that dont have a considerable amount of bootlicking going on. Mind you, everyone understands (or should) that Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow dont report the news so much as comment on it. But there are supposed to be actual, factual news reporting going on somewhere.
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If we cannot come to conclusion on when life begins, number of genders, that overprinting money causes inflation, ad nauseam , then there will be truthful and misinformation news.
 
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