The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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Weezer said:
And the past is something to be deeply ashamed of, but you can't visit the sins of the grandfather on the grandson. You don't reach equality through inequality. The murderers of AA deserve their punishment because they're murderers. Calling it a "hate crime" adds nothing to it. Most crimes contain an element of hate. Do you think the Christian-Newsom murders didn't contain an element of hate? But it wasn't charged as a hate crime because they were white, and the defendants black. We're not making a better world by keeping the past alive. You can't argue everyone is equal when you go all Animal Farm and have laws that suggest some are more equal. My unpopular opinion is that we as people should be colorblind. All that really matters is we are all human.

Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom - Wikipedia
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The problem is that you can and do visit the successes of the grandfather on the grandson. You can't say "we acknowledge that things have never been equal, but from this point forward things are going to be equal - now try and catch up with those who have benefited for generations from the inequality."
That's like saying, we know that the first 3 legs of the relay race cheated, but the fourth leg is not going to cheat - now go and catch up with the cheaters.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Historically it’s been legal to kill black people in this country only until around 60 years ago.

To state that hate crime legislation somehow makes minorities “more equal” is not accurate in my opinion, as it suggests that minorities historically have been given the leeway in our justice system with respect to crimes they’ve committed against whites as whites have been given in committing crimes against blacks…the Deep South in particular.
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Only 60 years ago..OMG...

Keep looking back and go wash some feet.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Historically it’s been legal to kill black people in this country only until around 60 years ago.

To state that hate crime legislation somehow makes minorities “more equal” is not accurate in my opinion, as it suggests that minorities historically have been given the leeway in our justice system with respect to crimes they’ve committed against whites as whites have been given in committing crimes against minorities…the Deep South in particular.
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It wasn’t legal then. And it wasn’t just the south
 
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60 years and Trillions of dollars spent since the WoP and still..it is never enough.
Why..the government is either inept of keeps them on the gov tit. No other conclusion.

Sucks to be on that side of the equation.

How about lifting the poor up thru capitalistic opportunity, not gov handouts, and stop instigating this racist past? Just like your boy Obama.
 
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Orangeburst said:
The ****ing racism card..how pathetic.
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A conversation on why hate crime legislation exists begins with historic racism in this country…and that’s whether or not you think that legislation is necessary today.

You can’t ignore that elephant in the room.

I’m also of the opinion that you can move forward while not forgetting about the past, which sometimes means discussing that past.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
A conversation on why hate crime legislation exists begins with historic racism in this country…and that’s whether or not you think that legislation is necessary today. You can’t ignore that elephant in the room.

I’m also of the opinion that you can move forward while not forgetting about the past.
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The black man hates whitey on the extreme. You not paying attention?
I like a good strong back family that believes in self reliance..not this plantation **** of continual living on Uncle Sam's tit.

So you guys are the bigots. Black man cannot get ID and vote..Black man would never survive without Uncle Sam. Black man needs special treatment.

It is an insult and racist
 
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Orangeburst said:
The black man hates whitey on the extreme. You not paying attention?
I like a good strong back family that believes in self reliance..not this plantation **** of continual living on Uncle Sam's tit.

So you guys are the bigots. Black man cannot get ID and vote..Black man would never survive without Uncle Sam. Black man needs special treatment.

It is an insult and racist
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Your opinion is noted…what it has to do with this conversation on hate crime legislation is another story altogether.
 
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n_huffhines said:
White people can be the victims of hate crimes. The law as it is written doesn't favor any group. One case that you believe should have been a hate crime doesn't represent what the law is.

I have concerns with hate crimes myself, but this is about concern 3,487 on the priority list.
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I agree with this 👆🏼
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
What ramifications did Till’s killer(s) face?

Hate and discriminatory behavior was legal in the south until 1964.

That’s no more than three generations ago in a country that was founded nearly two and a half centuries ago.
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Hate is still legal. We can't criminalize it and shouldn't try. There are other ways to address it.
We can and have legislated against actual harm to others which may or may not be manifestations of hate.
 
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vollygirl said:
They aren't capable of comprehending. Generational ignorance. I don't know when the cycle stops, but it obviously has a ways to go.
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Generational ignorance belongs to the young. There are those who lived through Jim Crowe and deny its degrading effect on society. But more who were aware of it as it happened recognize and reject that injustice. In other words, we've seen it and don't want any more of it.
 
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