The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[Franklin Pierce]

Shackled killers of Ahmaud Arbery are led out of court to begin their life sentences as Heavily-Armed New Black Panthers Stand Guard outside the Georgia Courthouse

The heavily-armed NBPP members marched outside the courthouse on Friday as the trio were sentenced for Arbery's killing

The NBPP Flag is hoisted aloft as the party members march in front of the Georgia courthouse

Members of the NBPP raise their fists to show support for the Arbery family during Friday's sentencing

Shackled killers of Ahmaud Arbery are led out of court as New Black Panthers stand guard | Daily Mail Online

 

[volbeast33]

You'd be surprised.

It really depends on who you talk to. VN seems to be full of deniers. I doubt many here would have believed that a big city PD would be filthy with discrimination against black cops, but now we know that it happens because of Balko's thorough investigation of Little Rock PD.

Balko writes investigative opinion pieces that are typically slanted in one direction…. I never said that it never happens but it’s not as common as the media makes it out to be…. There are much bigger issues in this world.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Where’s Ricky? Didn’t he say no crime? Just some good confederate flag waving ol patriots keeping neighborhood safe from an aggressive black boy with long dirty toe nails?

 

[n_huffhines]

Balko writes investigative opinion pieces that are typically slanted in one direction…. I never said that it never happens but it’s not as common as the media makes it out to be…. There are much bigger issues in this world.

I agree it's not as common as some people think and my point is the opposite is totally true as well.

Balko is slanted as opposed to all the totally fair, unbiased journalists you read, I'm sure. He's got thousands of pages of documentation and 40 sources to back up his report and a really lame, telling response by the union, so....

 

[volbeast33]

I agree it's not as common as some people think and my point is the opposite is totally true as well.

Balko is slanted as opposed to all the totally fair, unbiased journalists you read, I'm sure. He's got thousands of pages of documentation and 40 sources to back up his report and a really lame, telling response by the union, so....

I don’t trust any journalists….I usually like to read the same story from different perspectives bc the truth is usually somewhere in the middle…. I do not trust the Washington post at all and Balko’s articles are all slanted in the same way. …. I’m sure he has sources and I’m sure they all confirm his opinion…. I’m also sure that there were other views that weren’t included bc they disagreed with his opinion.

 

[Weezer]

Arbery defendants convicted of hate crimes, lesser charges (yahoo.com)

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Travis McMichael, gunman convicted in Ahmaud Arbery killing, gets life in prison for hate crime charges

 

[Orangeburst]

Hate crimes are unequal Justice laws

 

[Wireless1]

Travis McMichael, gunman convicted in Ahmaud Arbery killing, gets life in prison for hate crime charges

I think the demand for backhoe services just went up.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Hate crimes are unequal Justice laws

You’re not wrong…

 

[Orangeburst]

You’re not wrong…
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You think a black guy ever killed a white person because of hate? How about a racist illegal Hispanic? It is a stupid rabbit hole.
A crime is a crime.
So much for liberal equality and justice, which holds some crimes at a higher level of accountability . Just like I said.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

You think a black guy ever killed a white person because of hate? How about a racist illegal Hispanic? It is a stupid rabbit hole.
A crime is a crime.
So much for liberal equality and justice, which holds some crimes at a higher level of accountability . Just like I said.

Yep, those two dudes swinging from that tree got exactly what you said…unequal justice.

 

[Orangeburst]

Yep, those two dudes swinging from that tree got exactly what you said…unequal justice.

That was 60 years ago, so this is your solution?
And yet ignores common occurrence of black on white hate, etc.
Tilted justice is not equal justice.

 

[EasternVol]

Yep, those two dudes swinging from that tree got exactly what you said…unequal justice.

Those who killed them should have been convicted of murder. No need to muddle things with hate crime charges.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Yep, those two dudes swinging from that tree got exactly what you said…unequal justice.

That was 100 years ago too

 

[Orangeburst]

That was 100 years ago too

They keep telling us to move forward and all they do is look at the past.

 

[tim]

They keep telling us to move forward and all they do is look at the past.

Good observation.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

That was 60 years ago, so this is your solution?
And yet ignores common occurrence of black on white hate, etc.
Tilted justice is not equal justice.

Emmett Till agrees that tilted justice is not equal justice. Fifteen year old kid murdered for allegedly whistling at a white woman. I can post the before and after pics if you like.

I live in a town where a group of blacks were massacred because one black man dared to vote, exercising his right as an American citizen.

I probably shouldn’t bother drawing parallels between what used to be excused as justifiable homicide as the foundation as to why hate crime legislation exists today. You can disagree if it’s necessary or not.

But make no mistake, there was a legal double standard in this country with regards to civil rights that was corrected less than 60 years ago.

 

[Orangeburst]

Emmett Till agrees that tilted justice is not equal justice. Fifteen year old kid murdered for allegedly whistling at a white woman. I can post the before and after pics if you like.

I live in a town where a group of blacks were massacred because one black man dared to vote, exercising his right as an American citizen.

I probably shouldn’t bother drawing parallels between what used to be excused as justifiable homicide as the foundation as to why hate crime legislation exists today. You can disagree if it’s necessary or not.

But make no mistake, there was a legal double standard in this country with regards to civil rights that was corrected less than 60 years ago.

Go ahead and post the pics. Sure they are horrifying.
But at same time all such acts are horrifying, There is no horrifying continuum when it comes to such.
Prosecuting to the crime committed is what matters..not why.
And establishing why the act was committed is the rabbit hole one goes down.
All sorts of theoretical could be played..righteous yet a bigot/ racist killing. Oh one posted an anti Semitic remark and killed the Jew, It is a verifiable rabbit hole that erodes our JS.
You cannot legislate hate.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Go ahead and post the pics. Sure they are horrifying.
But at same time all such acts are horrifying, There is no horrifying continuum when it comes to such.
Prosecuting to the crime committed is what matters..not why.
And establishing why the act was committed is the rabbit hole one goes down.
All sorts of theoretical could be played..righteous yet a bigot/ racist killing. Oh one posted an anti Semitic remark and killed the Jew, It is a verifiable rabbit hole that erodes our JS.
You cannot legislate hate.

What ramifications did Till’s killer(s) face?

Hate and discriminatory behavior was legal in the south until 1964.

That’s no more than three generations ago in a country that was founded nearly two and a half centuries ago.

 

[vollygirl]

Emmett Till agrees that tilted justice is not equal justice. Fifteen year old kid murdered for allegedly whistling at a white woman. I can post the before and after pics if you like.

I live in a town where a group of blacks were massacred because one black man dared to vote, exercising his right as an American citizen.

I probably shouldn’t bother drawing parallels between what used to be excused as justifiable homicide as the foundation as to why hate crime legislation exists today. You can disagree if it’s necessary or not.

But make no mistake, there was a legal double standard in this country with regards to civil rights that was corrected less than 60 years ago.

They aren't capable of comprehending. Generational ignorance. I don't know when the cycle stops, but it obviously has a ways to go.

 

[Weezer]

What ramifications did Till’s killer(s) face?

Hate and discriminatory behavior was legal in the south until 1964.

That’s no more than three generations ago in a country that was founded nearly two and a half centuries ago.

And the past is something to be deeply ashamed of, but you can't visit the sins of the grandfather on the grandson. You don't reach equality through inequality. The murderers of AA deserve their punishment because they're murderers. Calling it a "hate crime" adds nothing to it. Most crimes contain an element of hate. Do you think the Christian-Newsom murders didn't contain an element of hate? But it wasn't charged as a hate crime because they were white, and the defendants black. We're not making a better world by keeping the past alive. You can't argue everyone is equal when you go all Animal Farm and have laws that suggest some are more equal. My unpopular opinion is that we as people should be colorblind. All that really matters is we are all human.

Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom - Wikipedia

 

[tvolsfan]

So... nobody is actually upset with the sentence, right?

 

[n_huffhines]

And the past is something to be deeply ashamed of, but you can't visit the sins of the grandfather on the grandson. You don't reach equality through inequality. The murderers of AA deserve their punishment because they're murderers. Calling it a "hate crime" adds nothing to it. Most crimes contain an element of hate. Do you think the Christian-Newsom murders didn't contain an element of hate? But it wasn't charged as a hate crime because they were white, and the defendants black. We're not making a better world by keeping the past alive. You can't argue everyone is equal when you go all Animal Farm and have laws that suggest some are more equal. My unpopular opinion is that we as people should be colorblind. All that really matters is we are all human.

Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom - Wikipedia

White people can be the victims of hate crimes. The law as it is written doesn't favor any group. One case that you believe should have been a hate crime doesn't represent what the law is.

I have concerns with hate crimes myself, but this is about concern 3,487 on the priority list.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

And the past is something to be deeply ashamed of, but you can't visit the sins of the grandfather on the grandson. You don't reach equality through inequality. The murderers of AA deserve their punishment because they're murderers. Calling it a "hate crime" adds nothing to it. Most crimes contain an element of hate. Do you think the Christian-Newsom murders didn't contain an element of hate? But it wasn't charged as a hate crime because they were white, and the defendants black. We're not making a better world by keeping the past alive. You can't argue everyone is equal when you go all Animal Farm and have laws that suggest some are more equal. My unpopular opinion is that we as people should be colorblind. All that really matters is we are all human.

Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom - Wikipedia

Historically it’s been legal to kill black people in this country only until around 60 years ago.

To state that hate crime legislation somehow makes minorities “more equal” is not accurate in my opinion, as it suggests that minorities historically have been given the leeway in our justice system with respect to crimes they’ve committed against whites as whites have been given in committing crimes against minorities…the Deep South in particular.