The murder of Ahmaud Arbery

[BreatheUT]

That is a question I have if I needed to evaluate evidence as a juror:

Is it illegal or cause for justified suspicion to peek in a house under construction. YES, if you have stolen goods in hand from that house under construction. Otherwise, I've done that many, many times just to see the house.

Also, his family said he jogs a lot and was out for a run. He was only 2 miles from his house, so it was not unreasonable for him to be jogging in that area. But, most dedicated runners wouldn't stop the run to peek in a house under construction. They even run in place at intersections. They are creatures of habits. Many runners may in fact use a primary running route.

From the video, can it be seen what he's wearing. Running pants/shorts, shirt, shoes. T-shirt not abnormal, but frequent runners have quality running shoes and either athletic tights or running shorts. Long cargo type heavy shorts and cross trainers or high tops make me go hmmm, if some one says they jog the roads. Cross Trainer on a trail runner more reasonable.

I don't see anything but an uphill climb for these guys trying to stay out of jail. But, these observations could make a difference to a jury on how severe the penalty may be. If the guy was out of place, and they had reasonable suspicion, then they could drop down to manslaughter.

With its publicity, how do these two men now get a "fair" trial. The best evidence of what little exists is a viral video, and well played 911 call.

Good post. I will say I don't have quality or normal running shoes and I don't wear tights but cargo shorts are out of the ordinary. I wear long training type pants so someone could question my outfit isn't normal. But I don't call myself a runner either.

I think these two guys got caught up in a lot of bad choices. It doesn't mean they are bad people in the grand scheme of things, I don't know that, but someone has to pay for this. It's like any other accidental death at the least. The I didn't mean to shoot him but you did situation.

 

[BreatheUT]

As for what he was running in, it's easy to assume a "dedicated" runner would have certain workout gear, but honestly, I'd want to know his financial situation before ruling on whether running in regular, non-athletic clothes was abnormal. Not every one is going to go out and spend money they need for more pressing reasons on specialized clothing.

The point I tried to make but spoken more eloquently. I don't spend a lot on myself just for running - shoes and tights. I don't even like tights or extremely short shorts.

 

[NEO]

Really. You wouldn't fight back if someone had a gun pointed at you and you thought he/she would shoot you?

I have to agree with you here.

You are a black guy alone surrounded by white guys with shotguns that are drawn.

I would assume they are intending to kill me or why else track me down and get out with a gun.

Personally I would have bolted into the woods and be gone and not stayed on the road but that doesn't change the scenario here.

Guy was murdered. Whether it was premeditated or not is up to a jury but in my opinion if u stop your car and get our with a loaded gun and aim it at someone your are getting ready to murder them.

They chose to stop. He didnt stop them, block their path, or try to make them stop.

 

[Behr]

Just being honest, I don't understand the victim blaming, or the desire to mitigate what these two dumbasses did. Yes, the victim shouldn't have charged, but damn, you don't know how you're going to react until you're the one that finds yourself confronted by two armed strangers in the middle of the road with no lawful authority.

And, not making this a racist issue, but it does take on another level when it's a black man confronted by two white men. Right or wrong, our society tells black people to be afraid when confronted by white men, and honestly, vice versa. We don't live in a society that promotes racial unity. We are told to be suspicious of each other through media and so-called leaders. Racism doesn't actually have to occur for it to be part of the equation.

*Attacked the gunman

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Get a VPN and spill the beans or don't bother teasing at all.

I'll give you this, and then I'm done. You're smart enough to connect the dots.

Homework assignment for this weekend. Google "Caroline Small shooting" and "Cory Sasser shooting". Read everything you can find, but pay particular attention to anything the AJC has. You'll note a common denominator in both of those incidents. Couple of them, in fact.

Now, go get a beer, sit out on your back porch, and connect the dots.

Said all I can. Welcome to "Lower, Slower Georgia." Looks like the swamp is starting to give up its' secrets.

Well, some of them.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I'll give you this, and then I'm done. You're smart enough to connect the dots.

Homework assignment for this weekend. Google "Caroline Small shooting" and "Cory Sasser shooting". Read everything you can find, but pay particular attention to anything the AJC has. You'll note a common denominator in both of those incidents. Couple of them, in fact.

Now, go get a beer, sit out on your back porch, and connect the dots.

Said all I can. Welcome to "Lower, Slower Georgia." Looks like the swamp is starting to give up its' secrets.

Well, some of them.

Thanks, dude.

 

[Delmar]

You probably can't say too much, but do you feel people were trying to protect these two somehow?

No offense but Ray Charles and Ronnie Millsaps could see that’s what happened.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[Rickyvol77]

I had just gotten out of the Army and was in a parking lot near the town square with some friends. Two cars were parked togather. One was a convertible and Jesus Christ Superstar was playing. I was leaning on the hood of the convertible and this drunk about 40 years old walks up to me. He was about three feet away. He pulls what looks like a .38 snubby out of his pocket and points it at my chest. He said something abut the song being sacrilegious. His eyes were bloodshot red. I was making all kinds of apologies but it did run through my mind to lunge and try to get my hands on the gun. I even considered that he was drunk and his reflexes would be slow. I decided against it. After abut 20 or 30 seconds (seemed longer) he turned and walked away. The cops arrested him a few minutes later.

I like Jesus Christ Superstar too lol

 

[Weezer]

No offense but Ray Charles and Ronnie Millsaps could see that’s what happened.

I think Greywolf is pointing at something much deeper than just the obvious guilt of the father/son. It seems to be a culture in that county/area. And the DA certainly seems crooked as hell.

 

[Vol8188]

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What do you base the idea that this was in any way racial on?

 

[KB5252]

You must have been a really nice guy?

In my younger years I lived the nightlife. All my friends either owned, were bartenders doormen or bouncers at bars and clubs. You live that life long enough and you see/ experience a lot. I want the greatest person but never hurt anyone that didn't earn it.

 

[volfanhill]

I have to agree with you here.

You are a black guy alone surrounded by white guys with shotguns that are drawn.

I would assume they are intending to kill me or why else track me down and get out with a gun.

Personally I would have bolted into the woods and be gone and not stayed on the road but that doesn't change the scenario here.

Guy was murdered. Whether it was premeditated or not is up to a jury but in my opinion if u stop your car and get our with a loaded gun and aim it at someone your are getting ready to murder them.

They chose to stop. He didnt stop them, block their path, or try to make them stop.

The other thing to consider is did he see the other car following him as well? Because if so, now you have two cars chasing you with one definitely with firearms, and you would have to assume the other one is too. How many people can you outrun on foot?

 

[n_huffhines]

What do you base the idea that this was in any way racial on?

Lighten up. It's just a meme and I didn't make it. How could it possibly have anything to do with race?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Man, I thought we had reached a consensus in here yesterday?

Manslaughter for both weekend warrior cops.

 

[Vol8188]

Man, I thought we had reached a consensus in here yesterday?

Manslaughter for both weekend warrior cops.

I can get behind that. Regardless of the small details we have all been arguing, that’s probably the right charge. I think some of the details only really matter in terms of the length of the sentence.

 

[Bigun]

Man, I thought we had reached a consensus in here yesterday?

Manslaughter for both weekend warrior cops.

What is the max sentence for manslaughter?

 

[volfanhill]

Quite frankly the biggest group of people demanding justice, besides family and friends of the victim, should be us 2A supporters.

 

[NEO]

Man, I thought we had reached a consensus in here yesterday?

Manslaughter for both weekend warrior cops.

Pre meditated requires 1 second of thinking the juries have decided time and time again.

This isn't simple manslaughter.

It may end up as such due to lack of evidence but it's more 1st than it is manslaughter.

 

[NEO]

I would charge for 1st degree and accept plea charges of manslaughter with max penalty.

If not we go to trial and I find enough skeletons in this guys closet to convince a jury he was just looking to kill someone of color...and yes u know its gonna be there.

 

[TheDeeble]

Again, you can't threaten someone and persist in doing so until they finally lash out and then claim self defense. You can play the "but for this..." game all day, but none of those different "but fors" matter except for the act that establishes criminal responsibility.

That's probably true. As I said I don't know Georgia law on where responsibility starts.

I'm just saying dude would be probably be alive if he didn't rush the guy with the shotgun. That's when things actually got violent. But I'm guessing the son will be found guilty of something.

My guess is they had a shotgun in case he was armed but probably mostly just for intimidation to get him to stop till the cops arrived. They probably didn't expect him to close distance unarmed and actually physically attack the guy with a shotgun. I don't think it looks good for them either way.

 

[TheDeeble]

The other thing to consider is did he see the other car following him as well? Because if so, now you have two cars chasing you with one definitely with firearms, and you would have to assume the other one is too. How many people can you outrun on foot?

By the looks of the mugshot the guys in the truck would have been gassed and too tired to run after about 20-30 seconds.

 

[volfanhill]

By the looks of the mugshot the guys in the truck would have been gassed and too tired to run after about 20-30 seconds.

How do you know that when fleeing armed men chasing you in trucks?

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

 

[Weezer]

By the looks of the mugshot the guys in the truck would have been gassed and too tired to run after about 20-30 seconds.

Which, IMO, would lead the runner to think they're more likely to shoot. He might be able to outrun them. He's not outrunning a bullet.