The Myth of Republican Fiscal Responsibility

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truefan said:
He has been in office a month. Making such a claim is utterly ridiculous and positively stupid
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spending two trillion dollars in your first month as President is utterly ridiculous and positively stupid as well.
 
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#127
VolByBirth said:
If we are truly talking about "fiscal responsibility" -- it simply doesn't exist. I don't care what your politics are, but fiscal responsibility is just as much about where you put the money as restraining spending. I don't know I've ever seen either side do both at the same time.
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Government = failure. (I'm channeling OE)
 
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droski said:
until reagan told the american people that inflation would drop and they believed it volkers contraction of the money supply didn't do crap. obama should take a lesson about the power of positive thought when it comes to the presidentcy.
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So it was Reagan's words, and not the contracting of money (and intentional recession) that brought down inflation? Sorry -- we can agree to disagree on that.
 
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The sad part about fiscal responsibility and economic growth is that both are possible at the same time if we would just stop spending like drunken sailors.

As long as we spend like this we will only be able to achieve one or the other, fiscal neutrality or economic growth.
 
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MG1968 said:
spending two trillion dollars in your first month as President is utterly ridiculous and positively stupid as well.
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I'm not disagreeing that the placement of his spending deserves a lot of questioning, but the amount is not a big deal. I don't care if we had the foresight to put the money exactly where it was needed to save this economy -- $2T would be a bargain.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I'm not disagreeing that the placement of his spending deserves a lot of questioning, but the amount is not a big deal. I don't care if we had the foresight to put the money exactly where it was needed to save this economy -- $2T would be a bargain.
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you don't get it. In order for the government to get that kind of money they have to do three things, tax, print or borrow. Since raising taxes during a recession is a guaranteed way to make it worse, the money has to be printed or borrowed. Printing the money will have the end result be hyper inflation, and borrowing the money will just create the same problem further down the road.
 
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MG1968 said:
Since raising taxes during a recession is a guaranteed way to make it worse, the money has to be printed or borrowed. .
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you obvioulsy haven't been listening to truefan or our president. raising taxes on the rich will help the economy.
 
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#133
droski said:
you obvioulsy haven't been listening to truefan or our president. raising taxes on the rich will help the economy.
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truefan is about as economically ignorant as the president and thus his opinions on the matter aren't worth listening to. :eek:hmy:
 
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#134
droski said:
until reagan told the american people that inflation would drop and they believed it volkers contraction of the money supply didn't do crap. obama should take a lesson about the power of positive thought when it comes to the presidentcy.
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There couldn't have been a more positive and inspirational speech than was given last night. He even had the republicans standing/clapping more than usual from the minority party
 
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droski said:
you obvioulsy haven't been listening to truefan or our president. raising taxes on the rich will help the economy.
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Didn't say that...ever. You have a really bad habit of putting words in people's mouths as if you know what they are thinking.
 
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MG1968 said:
truefan is about as economically ignorant as the president and thus his opinions on the matter aren't worth listening to. :eek:hmy:
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My economic ignorance, as you call it, is miles beyond any knowledge you have in such matters. As for Droski's statment, it is totally fabricated. I have never said raising taxes on the most wealthy would be any sort of stimulus to our economy. As far as you are concerned, you will never be at a level where your affirmation of my knowledge of anything has any consequence.
 
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truefan said:
There couldn't have been a more positive and inspirational speech than was given last night. He even had the republicans standing/clapping more than usual from the minority party
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I am putting aside my politics for a minute:

This was nowhere in the neighborhood of a great speech, look back at the great speeches given by both Democrat and Republican presidents of the past for evidence. This is a slobbering statement without the presence of any objective thinking. Bush gave a speech or two after 911 that were every bit as positive and inspiring and he was pretty horrible.
 
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KB5252 said:
I am putting aside my politics for a minute:

This was nowhere in the neighborhood of a great speech, look back at the great speeches given by both Democrat and Republican presidents of the past for evidence. This is a slobbering statement without the presence of any objective thinking. Bush gave a speech or two after 911 that were every bit as positive and inspiring and he was pretty horrible.
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:hi:
 
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truefan said:
My economic ignorance, as you call it, is miles beyond any knowledge you have in such matters. As for Droski's statment, it is totally fabricated. I have never said raising taxes on the most wealthy would be any sort of stimulus to our economy. As far as you are concerned, you will never be at a level where your affirmation of my knowledge of anything has any consequence.
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Seriously?
 
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MG1968 said:
spending two trillion dollars in your first month as President is utterly ridiculous and positively stupid as well.
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Maybe so, but you are neither smart enough nor educated enough to know whether the overall impact is positive or negative at this point.
 
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#142
truefan said:
Maybe so, but you are neither smart enough nor educated enough to know whether the overall impact is positive or negative at this point.
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Right, if you would ever get over yourself and your hard on for the goverment.....

Why am I wasting my time? Any one?

sock-puppet.jpg
 
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#143
truefan said:
Maybe so, but you are neither smart enough nor educated enough to know whether the overall impact is positive or negative at this point.
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The bad thing is that we will not know the full range of positive impact for many years to come, much of the spending in this bill is government contract stuff. A large portion will not break ground for at least 2 to 3 years.
 
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KB5252 said:
The bad thing is that we will not know the full range of positive impact for many years to come, much of the spending in this bill is government contract stuff. A large portion will not break ground for at least 2 to 3 years.
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Who cares about liberty any more......

We have the goverment to take care of us.......

200 million to build dirt bike tracks in Wyoming....

500 billion to study chinese catfish......
 
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#145
KB5252 said:
I am putting aside my politics for a minute:
This was nowhere in the neighborhood of a great speech, look back at the great speeches given by both Democrat and Republican presidents of the past for evidence. This is a slobbering statement without the presence of any objective thinking. Bush gave a speech or two after 911 that were every bit as positive and inspiring and he was pretty horrible.
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This has to be the funniest statement I have seen in a while. I have seen none of your opinions(in this forum) that aren't influenced by your politics.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Why is it funny?

The speech was adequate at best.
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Okay. Then (LOL) you must concede Jindal's was pathetic. Since we are being objective as to the quality of last night's speeches. If we get into nothing but delivery, then the gap widens even further between the one our president gave and the response from the GOP.

:yes:
 
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truefan said:
This has to be the funniest statement I have seen in a while. I have seen none of your opinions(in this forum) that aren't influenced by your politics.
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Which is why I stated that I was putting those aside to be objective. I actually thought about it for a minute and looked back to compare this speech with the great speeches that inspired Americans through the generations, Obama's does not belong in the top 15 period. These are great speeches that were given by both Democrat and Republican presidents.

Please explain to me how I was not being objective here?
 
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#149
truefan said:
Okay. Then (LOL) you must concede Jindal's was pathetic. Since we are being objective as to the quality of last night's speeches. If we get into nothing but delivery, then the gap widens even further between the one our president gave and the response from the GOP.

:yes:
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Wow, I didn't know that I thought Jindal's speech was earth shattering......

Thanks for helping me out by labeling me a republican..... I will remember to start voting that way!

By the way........... both speech = except for the parts when Jindal said this country is great because of the people and not your precious government!

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KB5252 said:
Which is why I stated that I was putting those aside to be objective. I actually thought about it for a minute and looked back to compare this speech with the great speeches that inspired Americans through the generations, Obama's does not belong in the top 15 period. These are great speeches that were given by both Democrat and Republican presidents.

Please explain to me how I was not being objective here?
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:lolabove:

Right, you are nice.

That shouldn't even be mentioned in the top 100.
 
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