The NCAA is a shameful organization.

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#476
A blue ribbon on a blue jersey. Heh.

Penn State fans are already going nuts about the player names on the back.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
And here we go:

Penn State Nittany Lions -- Trustees appeal to NCAA, vow federal lawsuit - ESPN

The lawyering game is afoot.
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Holy cow!!! PSU better make sure all their ducks are in a row and in lock-step. You know the NCAA's response to this will be to march in there and go through everything with a microscope. And given that there was an active coverup of pedophilia for over a decade makes me wonder what might turn up during what may be the most intensive investigation the NCAA has EVER done.
 
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#479
penn state is screwing themselves on this appeal, ncaa may go ahead and ban state four years. Sometimes it's better keeping your lips shut
 
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#480
Penn State uniform change draws scrutiny - The York Daily Record

York, PA -
Former Penn State and NFL tight end Troy Drayton understands he may be in the minority, and that doesn't much matter to him...

"To me it's a slap in the face . . . Putting the names on the jerseys is blasphemy."
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They do not get it. Part of their heralded tradition was to let JoePa handle everything within the department, allow no outside scrutiny or accountability and maintain the facade that their integrity was beyond question. The protests against names on the jerseys is symptomatic of a much larger issue that they are refusing to acknowledge.
 
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YorkVol said:
Penn State uniform change draws scrutiny - The York Daily Record



They do not get it. Part of their heralded tradition was to let JoePa handle everything within the department, allow no outside scrutiny or accountability and maintain the facade that their integrity was beyond question. The protests against names on the jerseys is symptomatic of a much larger issue that they are refusing to acknowledge.
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I think you're blowing it our of proportion. Nameless jerseys have been a unique part of their tradition and some of their people want to keep it that way. I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
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My hope is the NCAA grants their appeal, says they will do a full investigation, goes in and in a few months comes back and just bans their entire AD for 6+ years.

They signed a contract (whether they like it or not its there), they were given a reprieve from what the vast majority of the NCAA board, schools, and directors wanted to do, and they are still pushing.

The article about former PLAYERS appealing the NCAA to have the wins "un-vacated" says it all, they care more about winning than they do anything else, including the rape of children. This was part of the punishment for covering up that deed (and who knows what else the NCAA would find if they looked), they should move on and accept it. The only thing it changes is the record books, not the memories, not the money earned, nothing but the books.
 
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#483
Interesting article on North Carolina and the NCAA pandora box...maybe we should have listened to Milo...

As North Carolina academic scandal deepens, all eyes on NCAA president Mark Emmert | PennLive.com
So while Mr. Big Stick thumped his chest about Penn State—before and after delivering the sanctions—we haven’t heard squat from him about what will become the worst infractions case in the history of college sports. And that was before the latest mind-numbing details released Monday by the News & Observer: the gross case of academic fraud could go back a decade—and include North Carolina’s legendary men’s basketball program.
Apparently, this isn’t important enough for Emmert to drop Death Penalty suggestions on national television morning shows, or speak to the horror of it all on PBS or ESPN, or to anyone else shoving a microphone in front of the face of the NCAA.
This, Mr. Emmert, is the foundation of amateur sports. This, Mr. Emmert, is the one thing that can bring down the façade that is billions in television dollars on the backs of student-athletes. This, Mr. Emmert, is the very thing that can and will underscore the one dirty secret the NCAA has tried for decades to hide: college sports is a glorified minor leagues for professional sports.
This, Mr. Big Stick, is your Pandora’s Box.
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The UNC situation is bad (bogus independent studies classes) but probably isnt unique to UNC. NCAA won't hammer the "golden boys" of basketball.
 
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#487
The NCAA has given schools the dealth penalty for penalties much less then Penn State

If you are a Prsident of a Company and the company is found to be in violation of a law even if you did not know about it...you still get canned and possibly go to jail
SAME thing here

The coach was suitting in the "chair" even if he is no longer there...He represented the school...good or bad
I understand as a Penn State fan why you disagree and honestly I see the point about the fine being distributed to other states but then again kids were abused from other states
 
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BandVOL said:
The NCAA has given schools the dealth penalty for penalties much less then Penn State
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Major difference: those schools were actually in violation of NCAA rules. PSU was not.

If you are a Prsident of a Company and the company is found to be in violation of a law even if you did not know about it...you still get canned and possibly go to jail
SAME thing here
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PSU's President has been fired, has been charged, and is likely going to jail. What does that have to do with the NCAA?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Why is the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania suing, rather than Penn State?
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It's probably a PR move. They probably are trying to save the school another media barrage and trying to absorb some of the bad press.

It's semantics anyway. The school is a state-funded organization. It's all over-seen by the state government anyway.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Why is the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania suing, rather than Penn State?
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I think it has to do with where taxpayer money is going. They are partly upset that the penalty money is being used outside of PA.

Saw the ESPN legal advisor this morning. He said the biggest challenge to the case is that PSU agreed to the penalties. He felt the state would have a stronger case if they had not "settled" with the NCAA.

He was also surprised that the state appears to be alleging a conspiracy amongst other member institutions to use these events to bring down PSU. Tough to prove if that is what is being alleged.
 
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BandVOL said:
If you are a Prsident of a Company and the company is found to be in violation of a law even if you did not know about it...you still get canned and possibly go to jail
SAME thing here
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No it's not. Among several other reasons, the NCAA is not a state or federal prosecutor.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
This took longer than I thought:

Per SI. Sources: State of Pennsylvania to file lawsuit against NCAA « SI.com
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Good. Hopefully they'll win, although I'm almost certain they won't due to the fact that PSU actually signed off on the penalties. Still, I'd like to see the NCAA end up with as much egg on their face as possible with this, because they WAAAY overstepped their bounds in handing out sports sanctions for a criminal case in which the actual guilty parties had already been tried and convicted.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Good. Hopefully they'll win, although I'm almost certain they won't due to the fact that PSU actually signed off on the penalties.
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That certainly hurts. But if it's true that the NCAA said "agree to these or you're getting multiple years of the death penalty", then the Court could easily declare that agreement null and void.
 
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bamawriter said:
That certainly hurts. But if it's true that the NCAA said "agree to these or you're getting multiple years of the death penalty", then the Court could easily declare that agreement null and void.
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Short of some phone recordings surfacing, I'd be surprised if anything like that could ever be proven. Surely even the NCAA isn't arrogant enough to have put something like that in writing.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Short of some phone recordings surfacing, I'd be surprised if anything like that could ever be proven. Surely even the NCAA isn't arrogant enough to have put something like that in writing.
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Actually, I'm willing to bet that the threats were in writing. And even if they weren't, I'll bet there are multiple witnesses to them.
 
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#499
Lulz. Not criminally prosecuting the offenders is an affront to the victims. If they were truly doing things in the interest of the victims, they would've killed the program so that they never had to see or be reminded of PSU football again.
 
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