The NCAA is a shameful organization.

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bamawriter said:
Strange how they never once mentioned the "character clause" in either Emmert's statement or the press release, if that's what they were basing this on.
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In his presser he talked about character and morality. Rewatch the presser.
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#155
#155
bamawriter said:
The entire rules and procedures for investigations. No involvement by the Committee on Infractions. No prescribed recourse for appeal. And most of all: not even a single reference to a rule or bylaw broken by Penn State.
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Would that all be unprecedented?

Rules are made everyday to insure compliance with new issues that arise.

What are you truly afraid of?

I don't think Alabama or any other team will have an organization that would ever come close to what Penn State did

If they do, they deserve the same treatment

I'm sorry you think football is more important
 
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bamawriter said:
The entire rules and procedures for investigations. No involvement by the Committee on Infractions. No prescribed recourse for appeal. And most of all: not even a single reference to a rule or bylaw broken by Penn State.
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They went by the Freeh report, because Penn State accepted it. Do you really think Penn State wants the NCAA to do one of their infamous 2 year investigations into this and have it in the media for 2 more years, when they could get their punishment now and start moving on?
 
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CountVolcula said:
Would that all be unprecedented?

Rules are made everyday to insure compliance with new issues that arise.
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And, before now, they were approved by the membership and never enforced retroactively.

What are you truly afraid of?

I don't think Alabama or any other team will have an organization that would ever come close to what Penn State did

If they do, they deserve the same treatment
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Who says it needs to be this bad? You're assuming a limiting principle that simply doesn't exist.

I'm sorry you think football is more important
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I don't. I also don't think that punishing a football program is going to help the victims or punish the guilty.

You're seeking vengeance, and nothing more.
 
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onefesternation said:
They went by the Freeh report, because Penn State accepted it. Do you really think Penn State wants the NCAA to do one of their infamous 2 year investigations into this and have it in the media for 2 more years, when they could get their punishment now and start moving on?
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No, I don't. Penn State doesn't want to further the PR nightmare.

And the NCAA is fully aware of that, so they could ensure PSU's compliance with this travesty.
 
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#159
I am most glad of vacated wins. If a person is aware of pedophilia and covers it up, tjen they should at least be fired by employer and worse serve jailtime. Since they covered it up then and JoePa profited wins. They should be stripped. Bobby Bowden is new wins king again.
 
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bamawriter said:
No, I don't. Penn State doesn't want to further the PR nightmare.

And the NCAA is fully aware of that, so they could ensure PSU's compliance with this travesty.
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I say that's hogwash. I think Penn State thinks they deserved what they got, or at least most of it anyway. If they really thought the NCAA had no right to do this, I don't think they'd just sit there and take all of this to avoid the PR.

They could line up all the current players and coaches and talk about what a terrible thing has been done, but how can we impose such penalties on these young men who have done no wrong. IMO, if Penn State thought they deserved no penalties from the NCAA, they would have stuck around and fought it out.
 
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onefesternation said:
I say that's hogwash. I think Penn State thinks they deserved what they got, or at least most of it anyway. If they really thought the NCAA had no right to do this, I don't think they'd just sit there and take all of this to avoid the PR.

They could line up all the current players and coaches and talk about what a terrible thing has been done, but how can we impose such penalties on these young men who have done no wrong. IMO, if Penn State thought they deserved no penalties from the NCAA, they would have stuck around and fought it out.
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You are kidding yourself. If Penn State were to fight this, they would be crucified.
 
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bamawriter said:
You are kidding yourself. If Penn State were to fight this, they would be crucified.
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Look how many people are arguing that the NCAA overstepped their boundaries. According to ESPN, 31% of over 100,000 voters say that the NCAA didn't have the right to do this or that the punishment was too harsh. If PSU wasn't on board with this, the penalties could have potentially been worse, making that number go up. And you automatically think they would be crucified?
 
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onefesternation said:
Look how many people are arguing that the NCAA overstepped their boundaries. According to ESPN, 31% of over 100,000 voters say that the NCAA didn't have the right to do this or that the punishment was too harsh. If PSU wasn't on board with this, the penalties could have potentially been worse, making that number go up. And you automatically think they would be crucified?
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The means 69% would crucify them.
 
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NCAA system relies on institutional compliance and self-reporting.

Given that nobody on campus would report a child rapist for fear of the football program, is it reasonable to assume no one would dare report a NCAA violation?

This could explain the exemplary compliance record at PSU.

Institutional law of omerta.
 
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can someone explain with what jursidiction the NCAA presumes to mete out these penalties?

they didn't conduct their own investigation and didn't interview Paterno himself.

the victims will get $millions in civil damages vs. PSU, PSU and paterno have lost a 50-year legacy and Sandusky will die in jail.

looks like grandstanding to me.
 
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#169
I agree with you. But honestly, it doesn't take much research to find loss of institutional control was evident.
 
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Heard a quote by Emmert ? Emmerich? ...whoever that said they used the Freeh report and what came out in the trial as the basis of their actions because it was far more detailed and exhaustive than anything they have ever done.

Also I think they are going on their authority to punish based on loss of institutional control. I still have reservations about this being under the purvue of the NCAA.
 
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milohimself said:
If any of you have been keeping up with the Penn State/Sandusky saga on here, you've probably seen my numerous posts saying that the NCAA should have no authority to punish Penn State for the actions of Sandusky and Paterno and the men who covered for him and were complicit in the rape of children.

I still maintain that. If the NCAA had stuck to what its charter says, particularly the explicit parts, it shouldn't have done anything here. This is still purely a criminal justice matter.

Tomorrow, the NCAA will take a quantum leap from an organization that enforces fair play and amateurism in college athletics to one which can interject itself into purely criminal matters, and one which can issue arbitrary punishment.

Not that I like to bring in politics as a comparison, but this decision is reminiscent of President Obama bestowing upon himself the power to execute American citizens if they are deemed threats; He may well exercise that authority responsibly, but there is a far larger problem in that authority exists in the first place. Likewise, as of tomorrow the NCAA will have the authority to effectively wipe out college athletics programs as it sees fit, and by extension wipe out the economies and livelihoods of the individuals, universities and communities all over the United States that are supported by college football programs. And it can do so with no oversight and the ability to loosen its rules and bylaws as it sees fit.

I understand measures taken by the NCAA here are to correct the wrongdoings of an institution. I disagree with that premise entirely; crimes are committed by individuals. Penn State did not commit a crime, Penn State cannot be locked up in prison and Penn State cannot die of heart failure.

Yes, some people possit that these crimes were done in the name of the institution (again, I whole-heartedly disagree; they were done in the name of Joe Paterno), but punishing the instution is akin to restricting guns or violent video games in the wake of tragic outbursts like the recent one in Colorado; the step the NCAA is taking tomorrow will be overly-punitive and entirely misdirected, and the only reasoning I can fathom is to satisfy a public outcry for aimless revenge.

This point has been explained ad nauseum, but cannot be emphasized too much: the NCAA's actions will not have one iota of negative effect on those individuals responsible guilty of child rape. It could quite possibly, however, devestate the economy of central Pennsylvania of which Penn State football is the keystone.

But, now that these senseless and terrifying steps have been taken, the NCAA did the worst thing it possibly could have: stop short of the death penalty.

Emmert has deemed himself in a position to provide justice to Sandusky's victims, and to respond to the whims of the most vengeful, self-righteous voices out there.

And to balance the scales of justice, Emmert has apparently decided that a few years of bowl games and a few dozen football scholarships are of equal weight to the rape of dozens of children.

Emmert took the absolute worst possible course of action on this, to first decide that the NCAA was in a new, massively expanded and practically unaccountable authority, and then use that position to decide that a punishment usually reserved for LOIC and players getting paid off was fit.

In this whole episode, the only more vile group than Emmert and the NCAA is the former leadership of Penn State.
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Millions of people disagree with you. BTW, g. w bush walked all over the constitution, to many double standards these days. : :ermm:
 
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txbo said:
NCAA system relies on institutional compliance and self-reporting.

Given that nobody on campus would report a child rapist for fear of the football program, is it reasonable to assume no one would dare report a NCAA violation?

This could explain the exemplary compliance record at PSU.

Institutional law of omerta.
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Means our secret. Mario Puzo. :hi:
 
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People who say that the NCAA had no dog in the fight are idiots... They had every right to enforce what sanctions they saw fit. The previous Faculty LIED and covered up CHILD RAPE TO PROTECT THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM!!! what part of that do you guys not understand. IF you don't penalize them, THEN THEY WON! They got away with covering up child rape. They protected Penn St. football and knowingly let kids get raped continuously... They penalties are pretty much self inflicted.. They agreed with the NCAA to accept these penalties!!!!!
 
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