The NCAA Rules Committee is at it again....

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As if on cue, the episode of South Park is on where Cesar Milan teaches Mrs. Cartman to dominate Cartman and to be dominant. Couldn't have been better timing.
 
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Saban's next proposal to the NCAA----"Safeguarding Bama trolls whom have fallen into coach worship regardless of common sense"
 
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GrowVol said:
Saban's next proposal to the NCAA----"Safeguarding Bama trolls whom have fallen into coach worship regardless of common sense"
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I'm sure if Butch Jones wins three national titles his thoughts will be met with general scepticism by the UT fanbase.
 
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crusse10 said:
As if on cue, the episode of South Park is on where Cesar Milan teaches Mrs. Cartman to dominate Cartman and to be dominant. Couldn't have been better timing.
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And wonders never cease! The episode after that involves Cartman suing Best Buy because their bathroom doesn't allow him to get his Rascal into the bathroom...real discrimination against FAT PEOPLE :yu:
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bamawriter said:
Except it isn't a shift as allowed by the rules. Once the offense is set, there are a limited number of players that may go in motion. The entire team cannot stand up and then re-set. I have no idea why it has been allowed up to now, but it shouldn't be.

Again, I agree that if an offense wants to go as quick as possible, more power to them. OU ran several plays against Bama where they had stuff pre-scripted and didn't need to look at the sideline. They were snapping it 8 seconds into the playclock, and that's fine by me.

But it's this crap where the offense gets set and has no intention of snapping the ball anytime soon, but they want to get the defense stuck. I'm cool with that if the QB gets the play and then communicates it like an audible, but everyone else should have to stay set and run the risk of a communication breakdown.
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How would you implement the formation reset rule?

I could see something where if the offense lines up in formation, then resets the formation there is a 5-10 second window for the defense to sub. But honestly, not sure how much good it will do. When in a true hurry up teams aren't resetting that much. They are running the play as quick as possible.

The substitution rule and 10 second runoff is a stupid change in my opinion though.
 
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bamawriter said:
Except it isn't a shift as allowed by the rules. Once the offense is set, there are a limited number of players that may go in motion. The entire team cannot stand up and then re-set. I have no idea why it has been allowed up to now, but it shouldn't be.

Again, I agree that if an offense wants to go as quick as possible, more power to them. OU ran several plays against Bama where they had stuff pre-scripted and didn't need to look at the sideline. They were snapping it 8 seconds into the playclock, and that's fine by me.

But it's this crap where the offense gets set and has no intention of snapping the ball anytime soon, but they want to get the defense stuck. I'm cool with that if the QB gets the play and then communicates it like an audible, but everyone else should have to stay set and run the risk of a communication breakdown.
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I can agree with that.

saban, Redding, or whoever needs to call it what it is though, an advantage for the offense.

Not passing this off as good for the players.
 
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bamawriter said:
Here's what I think would be better than this new rule. Rather than changing the rulebook, evenly and fairly enforce two rules that are already on the books:

1. There needs to be a set amount of time that the ump stands over the ball once an offense substituties. Just because you want to play quickly doesn't mean that a defense should have a shorter sub window. Whenever an offensive sub happens, the defense gets X number of seconds regardless of their opponent's style of offense.

2. It is more than fine to rush up to the line and get set in order to prevent your opponent from subbing. It's also more than fine to signal in plays from the sideline in lieu of huddling. But you cannot get set in order to disadvantage your opponent, only for everyone on offense to get unset in order to see the play call. Once you get set, you have to stay set. No more meerkat stuff. If you get set and halt all substitutions, and anyone other than the QB or a man in motion moves, it's a false start.

I've never understood how #2 hasn't been enforced all along.
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Good post - this makes sense.
 
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Next rule proposal: Fat people riding scooter chairs at Wal Mart need more time to block the ice cream isle while making there decision.
Would 10 seconds help?
 
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bamawriter said:
If the offense is set, no subs are possible. If the defense tries to bring someone off the sideline while the offense is set, then the play has to be blown dead and a five yard foul assessed. Unless you're suggesting that an offensive player should get all the way off the field before his replacement comes on. That's taking twice the time of a normal substitution and seems to defeat the entire purpose.
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The offense has to snap the ball for it to be a penalty.
 
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thebjd said:
The offense has to snap the ball for it to be a penalty.
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Not anymore. They got rid of the illegal participation rule and everything falls under the substitution foul. The refs are supposed to blow it dead if they see it before the snap.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not anymore. They got rid of the illegal participation rule and everything falls under the substitution foul. The refs are supposed to blow it dead if they see it before the snap.
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If an O player flinches and there is no snap they flag it. I see that all the time. If the O as a group backs out of their stance, no flag.
There should be a flag. If they threw the flag there would be no need for this new rule.
 
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If coaches are concerned about player safety then they need to eliminate play action passing. Why have a player hit when he is not carrying the ball. This is horrible.

This is all football from HUNH to play action passing. Defenses have created ways to get lineman in and out and that is through injured players. They created the 40 sec rule so teams would have a clock to snap the ball by that time. Well they are, just at a little faster pace to try and get defenses out of place to take advantage of them. Defenses will adapt with smaller more mobile DL who can get on and off the field before the snap of the ball. If not they take a chance on getting too many men on the field penalty.
 
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newvol12 said:
If coaches are concerned about player safety then they need to eliminate play action passing. Why have a player hit when he is not carrying the ball. This is horrible.
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It's all pizzing an moaning, obfuscation, finger pointing and hand waving right now. That's what coaches DO!! And it is being done on BOTH sides of this issue. By Malzhan, by Leach, by Saban, by Bileima ... by everyone, fans included.

The only changes the NCAA Football Rules Committee can look at THIS YEAR are those involving player safety. Soooo ... those who see the HUNH as having found a way to turn the substitution rule in their favor by trapping the D on the field with unfavorable matchups, keeping them there-and because defense is significantly more strenuous than offense- wearing them out, used the safety issue, and the safety issue is yet to be determined.

And also, coaches running the HUNH will, if they can, snap before the the D has it's scheme, or is even set, further confusing and tiring the D until the HUNH can basically score at will.

Whether a physically and mentally exhausted defenseman is more prone to injury is obviously yet to be determined. But, those proposing the rule change consider the HUNH as providing not just a reasonable competitive advantage but an unfair competitive advantage for the offense against the defense, and possibly a dangerous one, that cannot be overcome with S&C and better schemes.

What to do ... find a way to get relief through rules changes. Rules are changed all the time. That's what rules committees do .. tinker with the rules. And to get the issue in front of the committee this year, they HAD TO make it about player safety. IMHO they don't really expect (but they hope, maybe..please) that something WILL pass this year ... (IMHO probably not) or can be passed and/or further refined in years to come just as the spiking rule inserted last year is being modified this year.

This is all football from HUNH to play action passing. Defenses have created ways to get lineman in and out and that is through injured players.
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Faking injury is against the rules. Why should the D have to do that?

They created the 40 sec rule so teams would have a clock to snap the ball by that time.
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Just like the shot clock in basketball. It keeps the game moving, prevents the team who is ahead late in the game from 'freezing' the ball to win.

Well they are, just at a little faster pace to try and get defenses out of place to take advantage of them.
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Not just a little faster, much faster.
Aaand ... you said it, not me... to try and get defenses out of place to take advantage of them and that is not the half of it. Coaches on both sides of the ball do that, it's their job.

Defenses will adapt with smaller more mobile DL who can get on and off the field before the snap of the ball.
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Well, maybe, some of that yeah. But that's only part of the question of how to defend against the HUNH. Which I LOVE, by the way. There just needs to be some kind of rules tweaking, or maybe only referee involvement, determined over the next few years so that it dosen't give the offense what I and others consider an unfair competitive advantage.

If not they take a chance on getting too many men on the field penalty.
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Yup

(Originally posted this morning from my cell, an when I got back, lo these many hours later, ... it was a mess .. sorry)
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
It's all pizzing an moaning, obfuscation, finger pointing and hand waving right now. That's what coaches DO!! And it is being done on BOTH sides of this issue. By Malzhan, by Leach, by Saban, by Bileima ... by everyone, fans included.

The only changes the NCAA Football Rules Committee can look at THIS YEAR are those involving player safety. Soooo ... those who see the HUNH as having found a way to turn the substitution rule in their favor by trapping the D on the field with unfavorable matchups, keeping them there-and because defense is significantly more strenuous than offense- wearing them out, used the safety issue, and the safety issue is yet to be determined.

And also, coaches running the HUNH will, if they can, snap before the the D has it's scheme, or is even set, further confusing and tiring the D until the HUNH can basically score at will.

Whether a physically and mentally exhausted defenseman is more prone to injury is obviously yet to be determined. But, those proposing the rule change consider the HUNH as providing not just a reasonable competitive advantage but an unfair competitive advantage for the offense against the defense, and possibly a dangerous one, that cannot be overcome with S&C and better schemes.

What to do ... find a way to get relief through rules changes. Rules are changed all the time. That's what rules committees do .. tinker with the rules. And to get the issue in front of the committee this year, they HAD TO make it about player safety. IMHO they don't really expect (but they hope, maybe..please) that something WILL pass this year ... (IMHO probably not) or can be passed and/or further refined in years to come just as the spiking rule inserted last year is being modified this year.

Faking injury is against the rules. Why should the D have to do that?

Just like the shot clock in basketball. It keeps the game moving, prevents the team who is ahead late in the game from 'freezing' the ball to win.

Not just a little faster, much faster.
Aaand ... you said it, not me... to try and get defenses out of place to take advantage of them and that is not the half of it. Coaches on both sides of the ball do that, it's their job.

Well, maybe, some of that yeah. But that's only part of the question of how to defend against the HUNH. Which I LOVE, by the way. There just needs to be some kind of rules tweaking, or maybe only referee involvement, determined over the next few years so that it dosen't give the offense what I and others consider an unfair competitive advantage.

Yup

(Originally posted this morning from my cell, an when I got back, lo these many hours later, ... it was a mess .. sorry)
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If defenses were in better shape, this would be a nonissue.
 
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Burger said:
If defenses were in better shape, this would be a nonissue.
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:no: So all across NCAA football, all the S&C coaches are going to work in the mornin', sortin' the team into the O & the D, an tellin' the D, "Oh yer just defense, you don't have to get in as good a shape as yer offensive brethren"

Is that how it works?
 
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bamawriter said:
That's a cop-out. Any honest football player will tell you that defense takes a lot more out of you than offense.
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Those objecting seem to be trying to hitch their wagon to the player safety angle which is also a cop out. Its pretty smart given the times but its not really that hard to figure out where its going.

The uptempo controlled scheme drives coaches on the other side crazy because they lose a level of control they are used to with traditional offenses.

If there was some way you could halt the other teams substitutions between series some of this may make more sense to me.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
:no: So all across NCAA football, all the S&C coaches are going to work in the mornin', sortin' the team into the O & the D, an tellin' the D, "Oh yer just defense, you don't have to get in as good a shape as yer offensive brethren"

Is that how it works?
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Switch a few words and you nailed it. The offenses created an advantage by increasing stamina and speed. Defenses have to close that advantage by being in great shape. Then its speed vs. power again after defenses can keep up. This is called evolution, and it will happen naturally. This has gone on since the days of the seven blocks of granite. I think Jancek has a great idea on how to stop it.
 
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