The NCAA Rules Committee is at it again....

[Burger]

That's a cop-out. Any honest football player will tell you that defense takes a lot more out of you than offense.

Its the way it is. If you're in better shape, you won't huff for air later. It's rather simple bammer. Any Physical Education teacher can tell you that. Read my post above this one for an explanation.

Someday I'll tell you guys what will happen when defenses figure it out. It's easily seeable.

 

[bamawriter]

I remember thinking that Halleys comet was a huge let down.

I imagine that agreeing with me was as well.

 

[bamawriter]

Its the way it is. If you're in better shape, you won't huff for air later. It's rather simple bammer. Any Physical Education teacher can tell you that. Read my post above this one for an explanation.

I don't disagree with you in full. But I have a problem with the idea that a lack of rule enforcement can be justified by simply saying "get in better shape."

 

[Burger]

I don't disagree with you in full. But I have a problem with the idea that a lack of rule enforcement can be justified by simply saying "get in better shape."

I understand. If its about the false start thing, I am too! You gotta stay set offense.

 

[TrueOrange]

Switch a few words and you nailed it. The offenses created an advantage by increasing stamina and speed. Defenses have to close that advantage by being in great shape. Then its speed vs. power again after defenses can keep up. This is called evolution, and it will happen naturally. This has gone on since the days of the seven blocks of granite. I think Jancek has a great idea on how to stop it.

Not sure I fully agree with that last statement after watching what Missouri and Auburn did to the defense in each of their games.

 

[Burger]

Not sure I fully agree with that last statement after watching what Missouri and Auburn did to the defense in each of their games.

The schemes in place were there. Our defensive players were bad last year. We will see the fruits over the next two years.

 

[BOP]

Why not just shorten the games if more plays cause more injuries? Let's go to 12 minute quarters.

 

[GrowVol]

That's a cop-out. Any honest football player will tell you that defense takes a lot more out of you than offense.

Funny thing is....is that most/all HUNH teams substitute every 3-4 plays in a drive which in turn lets the defense substitute as well. Is that right?
If that's right...then what your saying.... is that Bama defensive players can't make it 3-4 plays in a drive. Really??
You are doing your best to support a winning coach and all...but c'mon:crazy:

 

[bamawriter]

Funny thing is....is that most/all HUNH teams substitute every 3-4 plays in a drive which in turn lets the defense substitute as well. Is that right?
If that's right...then what your saying.... is that Bama defensive players can't make it 3-4 plays in a drive. Really??
You are doing your best to support a winning coach and all...but c'mon:crazy:

Right. It's my blind support for Saban that has motivated me to repeatedly say that I do not like this proposed rule change.

Thanks for your input, Derpy.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Funny thing is....is that most/all HUNH teams substitute every 3-4 plays in a _
Defense is more physically strenuous than offense. Of course, the DC subs when he thinks he needs to, based on which package, squad for matchups, and how tired players are.

But, when a HUNH starts a long drive in the 2nd half, and manages to keep a D squad that needs replacement out there by the quick set is what we're talking about. Unlike the argument that playing D is already harder (look it up-it's true), I have yet to hear a convincing argument that the HUNH offense is just doing better training while the defense goes to eat ice cream or somethin' and not already working hard on their fitness. You folks just state it as fact, the D needs to get fit. Where's the proof?

 

[Burger]

D is more physically strenuous t

If you can't last 3-4 plays, you don't deserve to play. I could play a full game on defense right now! It's not all that physically enduring if you're in shape.

 

[bamawriter]

If you can't last 3-4 plays, you don't deserve to play. I could play a full game on defense right now! It's not all that physically enduring if you're in shape.

Against most of the HUNH teams, it's not even close to every 3-4 plays. The average D-lineman isn't going to be effective after 5 or 6 plays in a row of running into a 300+ pounder.

 

[Burger]

Against most of the HUNH teams, it's not even close to every 3-4 plays. The average D-lineman isn't going to be effective after 5 or 6 plays in a row of running into a 300+ pounder.

The Olineman has to push around your fat ass linemen. It takes a lot of energy to do that also. The Olineman also gets tired, but he's in better shape. It seems simple at this point. Football has been a game of attrition since 1900. Coaches found a new way to take advantage.

Have you ever played tackle football with your buddies?

 

[JackHVFL]

Against most of the HUNH teams, it's not even close to every 3-4 plays. The average D-lineman isn't going to be effective after 5 or 6 plays in a row of running into a 300+ pounder.

With how much teams are passing, you dont have to blitz the whole D line every play... just drop em in zone

 

[Orangedogsrule]

The Olineman has to push around your fat ass linemen. It takes a lot of energy to do that also. The Olineman also gets tired, but he's in better shape. It seems simple at this point. Football has been a game of attrition since 1900. Coaches found a new way to take advantage.

Have you ever played tackle football with your buddies?

Ah .. you're makin' statements as if they're fact.. and they are not. Coaches across the board agree defense is harder to play than offense.

 

[GrowVol]

Right. It's my blind support for Saban that has motivated me to repeatedly say that I do not like this proposed rule change.

Thanks for your input, Derpy.

Awe...thanks BillyJoe. Maybe you, me and the bama's d-line can go on a 6 month eating binge/party like champs .....maybe even win the Fulmer Cup.

 

[Burger]

Ah .. you're makin' statements as if they're fact.. and they are not. Coaches across the board agree defense is harder to play than offense.

It's about the same. Offense requires team execution of a play. Defense requires coordination and positioning based on the offense. It's the harder end of the chess match. If you're putting out 100% effort, its the same of both sides.

 

[GrowVol]

It's crystal clear that this entire rule change would not have been an issue if Bama would have won out.
Bama didn't. Saban's weakness against HUNH teams is obvious....and so now, the rules need to change because Saban cant substitute after every play.(you thk saban cares about safety?)
At least discussion of this rule change means that we don't have to listen to Bama fans glouting about winning 3 in a row.

 

[thebjd]

Not anymore. They got rid of the illegal participation rule and everything falls under the substitution foul. The refs are supposed to blow it dead if they see it before the snap.

I found the following explanation of the NCAA rule and included the current rule as it exists. You may be winning me over. Especially the once set and then doing the meerkat.

Illegal substitution is a dead ball five yard foul and will be called if there are more than 11 defensive players on the field and the "extra players" (substitutes) are not making a bona fide attempt to get off the field.

Illegal Participation was a live ball 15 yard foul and occurs once the ball is snapped with more than 11 players on a side.

The defense does not have "until the ball is snapped" to complete their substitution, a substitute must replace a player immediately. Immediately has been defined as "within 3 seconds". Hence the substitute must replace the player within 3 seconds of going to the defensive huddle or to the vicinity of the replaced player.

Rule 3-5-3

More Than Eleven Players on the Field

a. Team A may not break the huddle with more than 11 players nor keep more than 11 players in the huddle or in a formation for more than three seconds. Officials shall stop the action whether or not the ball has been snapped.

b. Team B is allowed to briefly retain more than 11 players on the field to anticipate the offensive formation, but it may not have more than 11 players in its formation if the snap is imminent. Whether the snap is imminent or has just occurred, the officials shall stop the action.

PENALTY–[a-b] Dead-ball foul. Five yards at the succeeding spot. [S22]

c. If officials do not detect the excessive number of players until during the down or after the down is over, the infraction is treated as a live-ball foul.

PENALTY–Live-ball foul. Five yards at the previous spot. [S22]

 

[TrueOrange]

It's crystal clear that this entire rule change would not have been an issue if Bama would have won out.
Bama didn't. Saban's weakness against HUNH teams is obvious....and so now, the rules need to change because Saban cant substitute after every play.(you thk saban cares about safety?)
At least discussion of this rule change means that we don't have to listen to Bama fans glouting about winning 3 in a row.

No, you'd still be hearing about it.

Again, isn't he like 4 of 6 against or so against that HUNH offense? That doesn't really sound like an "obvious weakness."

 

[Burger]

VN, I suggest a massive tackle football game, because it sounds like y'all need some refreshers. It would be very fun. The fan O+W game.

 

[thebjd]

It's crystal clear that this entire rule change would not have been an issue if Bama would have won out.
Bama didn't. Saban's weakness against HUNH teams is obvious....and so now, the rules need to change because Saban cant substitute after every play.(you thk saban cares about safety?)
At least discussion of this rule change means that we don't have to listen to Bama fans glouting about winning 3 in a row.

Oklahoma took it to Alabama and really beat them but the Auburn loss could have went either way. Alabama's offense was better than Auburn's that day. It makes Saban sound petty even weighing in on the issue but he recruits great players and they win most of their games because they have better players than the other team.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

It's about the same. Offense requires team execution of a play. Defense requires coordination and positioning based on the offense. It's the harder end of the chess match. If you're putting out 100% effort, its the same of both sides.

No, it's not.
1. D does't know the play.
2. Granted to you, the initial contact is a wash.
3. IF the D lineman penetrates and the play is to the other side, he has to shed the block and pursue. You see O linemen slow down before the D ALL the time after this because they know they're out of play and BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BLOCK IN THE BACK.

Apart from initial contact, which I grant you, the defensive line runs more each play than offense. Even if it's only a little. And that adds up during the game, and is why defenses are often so gassed towards the end. So we here it from announcers all the time. "This offense is beginning to impose it's will". Even before teams started running the HUNH.

It's the continuous pursuit

 

[GrowVol]

Oklahoma took it to Alabama and really beat them but the Auburn loss could have went either way. Alabama's offense was better than Auburn's that day. It makes Saban sound petty even weighing in on the issue but he recruits great players and they win most of their games because they have better players than the other team.

And.....

 

[thebjd]

And.....

He really doesn't have trouble with anyone regardless of the scheme they run. LSU beat Bama running a pro-style offense. The Gators beat them running whatever that Tebow spread was. Saban won the rematches decisively in both instances as well as soundly beating A&M in that rematch. What he has trouble with are special players and Heisman finalists. I do like the fact Bama is on a two game losing streak.