The "Occupy" Rallies

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Weezy said:
So we've got marxists, socialists, anarchists, and anti-semitic. Gotcha.
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it won't be long before Ramsey Clarke and his ilk shows up and you will have the exact makeup of the anti-war rallies of 5 years ago, odd thing is that they were protesting capitalism back then as well.
 
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MG1968 said:
it won't be long before Ramsey Clarke and his ilk shows up and you will have the exact makeup of the anti-war rallies of 5 years ago, odd thing is that they were protesting capitalism back then as well.
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I was just told for the millionth time that they aren't anti-capitalism.
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dreVol said:
I was just told for the millionth time that they aren't anti-capitalism.
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"They," as a movement, are not.

Can you find some outsiders who are? Sure. And in fact it seems to me that it was about at this stage that the worst offenders trying to hijack the TP for their own weirdness were out in full force, as well.

Not only that, but the issues are going to diverge geographically and over time. The important thing is to try to identify the common theme and see if you agree with that.

Frankly, I am surprised that so many of you just knee-jerk bash them since their problem is with irresponsible bailouts. You may view the bailouts as irresponsible fiscally, they may view them as irresponsible politically, and the timing is different.

But both the OWS and the TP view the bailouts with skepticism because they don't like the use of tax dollars to help out the political allies of who is in power, left or right, GOP or Dem.




(Note: Some of you at least acknowledge the similarity on the issue and say you get it. You might not like their style, or some of what you perceive to also be inherent in their message, but at least some on here get the bigger picture that both the TP and the OWS have in common the need to disrupt the good ole' boy network that makes bailouts so objectionable.)
 
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You've shown zero evidence that most are pro-capitalism. It's an absurd claim that requires documentation.
 
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if that even is their goal, the difference is the TP is going after the politicians who made the deals (you know, the ones with the money) while the OWS people aren't quite sure who to be mad at. It changes with every interview
 
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The president also compares the protesters to the Tea Party. “In some ways, they’re not that different from some of the protests that we saw coming from the Tea Party," Obama says. "Both on the left and the right, I think people feel separated from their government. They feel that their institutions aren’t looking out for them.”
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it's like someone stole Obama's talking points
 
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Now this is funny!

Thieves preying on Wall Street protesters - NYPOST.com

“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.

“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”
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This is why Christie needed to run. I think he pretty much nails it.

"I think if you look at the Occupy Wall Street folks, and the tea-party folks, that they come from the same perspective, they just have different solutions," he says. "What they're saying is the government's not working for me anymore. The government is not being fair, the government is not helping me in the way that it should. And the tea-party folks have one set of solutions to that problem. And the Occupy Wall Street guys have a totally different set, probably 180 degrees different."

He added, "I don't happen to agree with a lot of the solutions the Occupy Wall Street guys have. But what I will tell you is, I understand why they're angry. 'Cause you look what's happening in Washington D.C. and it should disgust all of us."
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How Republicans Should Engage Occupy Wall Street - Conor Friedersdorf - Politics - The Atlantic

I also think it's interesting to compare to Jon Stewart and Obama (who both had similar statements withtout the key point of the solutions since that's more their base)...and then Cain.

President Obama, October 18: "I understand the frustrations being expressed in those protests. In some ways, they're not that different from some of the protests that we saw coming from the Tea Party. Both on the left and the right, I think people feel separated from their government."

Jon Stewart, October 5: "I don't get it. Here's a group of Americans disenchanted, railing against big government bailouts, angry because they played by the rules ... If this thing turns into throwing trash cans into Starbucks windows, nobody's going to be down with that. We all love Starbucks. But these protesters, how are they not like the Tea Party? ... Aren't these folks real citizens with real problems? Aren't they also speaking for America?"
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Herman Cain is a good example of a Republican who took the opposite approach. "I don't have facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration," he said to an interviewer. "Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks, if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself! ... It is not a person's fault if they succeeded, it is a person's fault if they failed."
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I agree with most of that but just haven't seen much indication that OWS is disgusted with Washington as is - it's much more aimed at Corporate America
 
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Weezy said:
This is why Christie needed to run. I think he pretty much nails it.



How Republicans Should Engage Occupy Wall Street - Conor Friedersdorf - Politics - The Atlantic

I also think it's interesting to compare to Jon Stewart and Obama (who both had similar statements withtout the key point of the solutions since that's more their base)...and then Cain.
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How does he nail it in saying that they are coming from the same angle? That's ridiculous. One group wants less and, more importantly, less costly government with limited influence on our lives. The other group wants more government intervention and government driven solutions for their financial woes. The two aren't remotely comparable and aren't coming at this from similar angles. It's as disingenuous as possible to even pretend that's the case. The idiots now avoiding work are trying to hijack the message of folks who work for a living.
 
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volinbham said:
I agree with most of that but just haven't seen much indication that OWS is disgusted with Washington as is - it's much more aimed at Corporate America
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not sure this is true. We have a tendency to see most protestors as lazy complainers (which can be true) - but I'd like to think the goal is in the right place.

Personally, I only take protestors seriously have had some actual life experience.
 
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volinbham said:
I agree with most of that but just haven't seen much indication that OWS is disgusted with Washington as is - it's much more aimed at Corporate America
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Agreed. The message seems to be "How dare you take these bailouts!" rather than "How dare you bailout those who don't deserve it!"
 
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Anybody read this "Retirement Heist" stuff? The book is based on a series of WSJ articles. I've read through some of the articles. It's pretty upsetting stuff. I'm sure there are other players as well, and a point could be made that employees should have been skeptical of pension plans (especially gov't). But the I think it's still upsetting.
 
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I support the occupy movement because it gives the significant others of cops a break from being beat at home. Those lazy kids taking a beating by the cops are actually performing a service, give em a break will ya.
 
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