The "Occupy" Rallies

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bamawriter said:
Unrestrained lawlessness has consquences. The police could be more gentle, sure, but if you don't join a large, lawless group you don't run the risk of getting whipped by the cops.
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Can't the police just do their jobs within the law?
 
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KiffinKiller said:
lol. I was exaggerating a little...but there needs to be some sort of consequence for idiots with no respect.
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I agree - I'm serious when I say you aren't doing civil disobedience right if someone doesn't suffer consequences - maybe not a smackdown but at least a real arrest; some tear gas or a bad mark on your FICO score...:)
 
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#856
you can't be a real protester without some scars and the stories that go with them
 
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#858
therealUT said:
"A rash of reports, nearly a half-dozen..."

Sensationalized much?

"Nearly a half-dozen" would logically mean five or less. Conservatively, lets estimate that the low-end aggregate number of "occupiers" is 35,000. 5 out of 35,000 is a pretty low number.

I am not a fan of the Occupy Movement; however, this report by Fox is ridiculous.
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I was under the impression that any sexual attack should be a big deal, I didn't know we were so desensitized that we should discount it until they reach a certain percentage.

Secondly, the point was, had this been a tea party rally and there was one sexual assault the whole movement would've been labeled as rapists.
 
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theFallGuy said:
I was under the impression that any sexual attack should be a big deal, I didn't know we were so desensitized that we should discount it until they reach a certain percentage.

Secondly, the point was, had this been a tea party rally and there was one sexual assault the whole movement would've been labeled as rapists.
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and rightly so - you're all deviants.
 
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theFallGuy said:
I was under the impression that any sexual attack should be a big deal, I didn't know we were so desensitized that we should discount it until they reach a certain percentage.

Secondly, the point was, had this been a tea party rally and there was one sexual assault the whole movement would've been labeled as rapists.
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Look up sexual assault statistics for the entire nation. These camps, unlike Tea Party protests, are 24/7: they are basically live-in communities. I am not outraged that this community reflects some of the crime statistics for the nation.

That said, I think the entire Movement is ridiculous.
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therealUT said:
Look up sexual assault statistics for the entire nation. These camps, unlike Tea Party protests, are 24/7: they are basically live-in communities. I am not outraged that this community reflects some of the crime statistics for the nation.

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It's impossible to accurately compare the two. These camps have tried to establish internal methods for dealing with internal crimes. We know of the assaults that have been reported to the police/media. We know nothing of the assaults that were reported in-house.
 
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volinbham said:
why do they have rubber bullets if it's illegal to use them?

are you cool with tear gas and maybe some rough cuffing?
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I'm not an expert, but I'm going to assume it's not legal to blast someone with a rubber bullet that is doing nothing other than holding a video camera.

It it is legal, my bad.
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
I'm not an expert, but I'm going to assume it's not legal to blast someone with a rubber bullet that is doing nothing other than holding a video camera.

It it is legal, my bad.
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Was the gentleman with the camera standing off to the side, by himself? Or was he standing with the mob? Surely you understand that proximity makes a big difference.
 
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bamawriter said:
Was the gentleman with the camera standing off to the side, by himself? Or was he standing with the mob? Surely you understand that proximity makes a big difference.
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I only see one mob in the video. hint: It's where the rubber bullet came from.

Does it really matter, anyways? Dude aimed right at him and shot him. What the hell? Define police brutality for me.
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
I only see one mob in the video. hint: It's where the rubber bullet came from.
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If I'm standing with most of a mob at my back, you won't see the mob on my video.

Does it really matter, anyways? Dude aimed right at him and shot him. What the hell? Define police brutality for me.
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"Dude" aimed at a member of an angry mob, and "dude's" job was to make that mob disperse. Whether or not the cameraman was doing anything threatening, himself, he was a part of the crowd, and thus put himself in harm's way. If he'd decided to film the action from across the street, it's likely that he never runs afoul of an armed policeman.
 
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bamawriter said:
If I'm standing with most of a mob at my back, you won't see the mob on my video.



"Dude" aimed at a member of an angry mob, and "dude's" job was to make that mob disperse. Whether or not the cameraman was doing anything threatening, himself, he was a part of the crowd, and thus put himself in harm's way. If he'd decided to film the action from across the street, it's likely that he never runs afoul of an armed policeman.
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If I can not take aim at an angry mob in Iraq and fire away, then I see no reason in which our LEOs should be permitted to to so in the States. Rubber bullets or not, there are escalation of force procedures and threat levels to be assessed that, in this situation, do not appear to have been adhered to by the officer who fired the round.
 
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therealUT said:
If I can not take aim at an angry mob in Iraq and fire away, then I see no reason in which our LEOs should be permitted to to so in the States. Rubber bullets or not, there are escalation of force procedures and threat levels to be assessed that, in this situation, do not appear to have been adhered to by the officer who fired the round.
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I'm not advocating unchecked police behavior. But the protestors in this instance were no longer peacably assembled, and as such they were no longer appropriately airing their grievances. It is not a complicated reality: if the police instruct you to do something, you should make haste to do it. If you think the police are in the wrong, go through the proper channels to deal with it. The police aren't perfect, but they have weapons, shields, and body armor. Try to avoid pissing them off.
 
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#873
bamawriter said:
I'm not advocating unchecked police behavior. But the protestors in this instance were no longer peacably assembled, and as such they were no longer appropriately airing their grievances. It is not a complicated reality: if the police instruct you to do something, you should make haste to do it. If you think the police are in the wrong, go through the proper channels to deal with it. The police aren't perfect, but they have weapons, shields, and body armor. Try to avoid pissing them off.
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Awesome.
 
#874
#874
bamawriter said:
I'm not advocating unchecked police behavior. But the protestors in this instance were no longer peacably assembled, and as such they were no longer appropriately airing their grievances. It is not a complicated reality: if the police instruct you to do something, you should make haste to do it. If you think the police are in the wrong, go through the proper channels to deal with it. The police aren't perfect, but they have weapons, shields, and body armor. Try to avoid pissing them off.
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They should have moved in in bodily force. If, at that point, they then needed to escalate the force then they do so. You do not start out firing, though.
 
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#875
I sense a contradiction from the OWS supporters (and other left of center groups) that I'm not sure they see or understand. You can't petition the government to provide more stimulus money so that communities can put more cops on the street and you can't lower the testing standards for cops because of some perceived disadvantage due to race.

Then, when you've backed a community into a corner and force them to hire non-qualified applicants because it's not "fair" to exclude dumbasses from the police force, you get what's going on in Oakland. A city, by the way, that has been run by left-wing democrats for decades.
 
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