The "Occupy" Rallies

#901
#901
VOLatile said:
I'm not advocating for wealth redistribution, I'm advocating for the removal of wealth as a voice. Whether rich or poor, each voice should be equal. Do you classify that as wealth redistribution or just equalization?



Seems as though we've strayed from our original vision to begin with.
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I'm not for equalization via the government. It's as simple as that.

As for access/voice - the common man in many ways has an all-time high ability due to tools such as the Internet. It takes less $ than ever to make your voice heard to millions of people.

Even in the days of our founding it was the rich, white guys making the rules. I don't think we've strayed from that.

The reality (AFAIC) is that the people haven't held the government accountable.
 
#902
#902
volinbham said:
I'm not for equalization via the government. It's as simple as that.

How do things equal out when the only rulemakers are the government, then?

As for access/voice - the common man in many ways has an all-time high ability due to tools such as the Internet. It takes less $ than ever to make your voice heard to millions of people.

True, but there's no doubt that even with these new ways money is still the voice.

Even in the days of our founding it was the rich, white guys making the rules. I don't think we've strayed from that.

Am I in the wrong for thinking that this is not how it should work?

The reality (AFAIC) is that the people haven't held the government accountable.
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Government accountability and transparency should be a priority, but we'll never see that with the amount of money in this system. Not in the administration, not in the future administrations.
 
#903
#903
VOLatile said:
Government accountability and transparency should be a priority, but we'll never see that with the amount of money in this system. Not in the administration, not in the future administrations.
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I'm fine with accountability and transparency - it is a prerequisite.

The mechanism that works best is individual liberty. People being free to speak and vote as they see fit. People being free to succeed. Inserting the "government" as a mechanism simply encourages more attempts to influence the government.

I don't think you are wrong to seek equalization in voice but the solutions you've suggested so far seem the opposite way to go IMO.

As the government controls more and more of our lives from cradle to grave, the stakes to influence that control (and the rewards from influence) likewise grow. GE is a perfect example - both the HC legislation and Energy legislation are key to their business and what do you know, the head of GE is one of Obama's main advisors. If Obama wasn't seeking so much gov. control of HC and energy then GE wouldn't command the influence they do.
 
#904
#904
are there not some people more affected by certain gov't regulation than others? Should all voices be equal in that scenario?
 
#907
#907
I have 3 solutions:

1. Reduce government involvement in HC
2. Reduce government involvement in Education
3. umm, er, uh - there's one more I just can't remember it - it's HC, Education and uh um. Oops?
 
#908
#908
volinbham said:
I have 3 solutions:

1. Reduce government involvement in HC
2. Reduce government involvement in Education
3. umm, er, uh - there's one more I just can't remember it - it's HC, Education and uh um. Oops?
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Lol. I'm not sold on privatizing education. HC, I can go either way on - but I'm against a mandate.
 
#909
#909
VOLatile said:
Lol. I'm not sold on privatizing education. HC, I can go either way on - but I'm against a mandate.
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The debate is mostly about whether the federal government should be involved or whether it should be all on the state level. There are very few who support actual privatization, unless you're referring to vouchers (which I consider partial-privatization).
 
#910
#910
nbakerld said:
The debate is mostly about whether the federal government should be involved or whether it should be all on the state level. There are very few who support actual privatization, unless you're referring to vouchers (which I consider partial-privatization).
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I can't wait for Jefferson High School brought to you by Under Armor
 
#912
#912
nbakerld said:
The debate is mostly about whether the federal government should be involved or whether it should be all on the state level. There are very few who support actual privatization, unless you're referring to vouchers (which I consider partial-privatization).
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Yep - that's what I meant.
 
#913
#913
nbakerld said:
The debate is mostly about whether the federal government should be involved or whether it should be all on the state level. There are very few who support actual privatization, unless you're referring to vouchers (which I consider partial-privatization).
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I absolutely support privatizing education.
 
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#914
#914
We are stuck in the same old failing education system because people don't want to deviate from the norm and try something different. We've already proven public schools don't work. What is there to be scared of? Privatizing might actually be successful? It certainly can't be any worse than what we have. There is no freedom of school choice with the current system.
 
#916
#916
and for the record I have 1 kid in public school and 2 kids in private school so I'm not just some boob idealist who has no children and has no clue what he is talking about
 
#917
#917
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buovLQ9qyWQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Nice. First blow by cop to female student. Stay classy po po.
 
#919
#919
Maybe if enough of these kids get their skulls cracked open by power-mad police officers, their movement might actually have a purpose.
 
#920
#920
Thrasher865 said:
Are there any occupy Knoxville protests? If so, where?
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Check the Huddle, they would know.

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#921
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bamawriter said:
Maybe if enough of these kids get their skulls cracked open by power-mad police officers, their movement might actually have a purpose.
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or maybe the protesters could learn respect for other people's rights and that their actions have consequences.
 
#924
#924
DrunkJohnny said:
The consequence of peaceful assembly is getting your skull crushed by a "power-mad police officer?'

Who knew?
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so "peaceful" includes defecating on police cars, scrawling graffiti on storefronts and ransacking private businesses, invading a private port facility and disrupting the flow of commerce?

your rights end where mine begin.
 
#925
#925
MG1968 said:
so "peaceful" includes defecating on police cars, scrawling graffiti on storefronts and ransacking private businesses, invading a private port facility and disrupting the flow of commerce?

your rights end where mine begin.
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Nope.

Don't see any of that in the video I posted.
 
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