The "Occupy" Rallies

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VOLatile said:
You guys still think rich people create jobs? Just wondering. (PS - it's actually demand. If the workers don't have the money to buy products or services, then the demand for product goes down and so do the jobs.)
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yes comrade!
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VOLatile said:
it's actually demand. If the workers don't have the money to buy products or services, then the demand for product goes down and so do the jobs.
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That's only true if demand is a zero sum game.

But demand can increase for a good or a service without decreasing for another.
 
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VOLatile said:
You guys still think rich people create jobs?
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Of course they do. People interacting in the marketplace is what creates jobs. We create jobs too, but the rich create a hell of a lot more, because they are generally bigger players in the marketplace.
 
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nbakerld said:
So what's your point?
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That these protestors are not at all interested in small government. The Tea Party aren't pro-limited gov in every instance, but there's nothing I've seen out of these folks that indicates they're pro-limited gov in any instance.
 
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bamawriter said:
That these protestors are not at all interested in small government. The Tea Party aren't pro-limited gov in every instance, but there's nothing I've seen out of these folks that indicates they're pro-limited gov in any instance.
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I guess my question was "why is that your point?"

I'm aware most of these protesters are big-government leaning, but you said they can all go to France, or whatever. My point is that some of them are protesting from a different standpoint, and they shouldn't all be lumped together, because some of them do have reason and logic. Not most, but some. Like the guy in the video I posted that said, "Banks should be allowed to fail. It's how the market is supposed to work. If I fail, nobody bails me out."
 
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This group is also similar to the TP in that they hold both parties in contempt. While they would vote Democratic most of the time (as the TP would vote GOP), they are pretty po'd at Obama and the Demos, too.

Remember, this started as a protest about Wall Street bankers cashing in for millions and millions on government bailout money and no accountability for the mortgage mess, which many see as the root cause of the economic downturn.

You give the guys who bundled mortgage securities and fed the engine and then took millions in bonuses as they all lost their jobs and were foreclosed on, this really should not come as a surprise.
 
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nbakerld said:
Like the guy in the video I posted that said, "Banks should be allowed to fail. It's how the market is supposed to work. If I fail, nobody bails me out."
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Again, since he seems to be in the minority at the Occupy protest, he might fit in more with the Tea Party, since his logic is the same as theirs. He might not be a "war-hawk", but is general purpose would appear to be aligned with the TP.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This group is also similar to the TP in that they hold both parties in contempt. While they would vote Democratic most of the time (as the TP would vote GOP), they are pretty po'd at Obama and the Demos, too.

Remember, this started as a protest about Wall Street bankers cashing in for millions and millions on government bailout money and no accountability for the mortgage mess, which many see as the root cause of the economic downturn.

You give the guys who bundled mortgage securities and fed the engine and then took millions in bonuses as they all lost their jobs and were foreclosed on, this really should not come as a surprise.
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If that is genuinely their beef, then why would they continue to support the Democrats? I'm not saying the Republicans are significantly better on the issue, but the Democrats have done everything short of turning tricks in order to protect the system that allowed the collapse to happen (and in Barney Frank's case, he might've turned tricks).

Dodd-Frank is hailed as a solution to the mess, but it intentionally left Freddie and Fannie in the ****ed up situation they were in before. You can tighten up on "Wall Street", but if you don't treat the systemic cause, you can never hope to permanently cure the symptoms.

So, if these protestors are really going after Wall Street because of the mortgage mess, they are protesting a cough while ignoring the lung cancer.
 
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What confuses me is the Occupy protesters are younger, college aged folks. One of their complaints is that they can't pay their student loans back (no job and the principal is huge). Yet, they rail against "corporations" and proclaim their support for the current administration. What has Obama done for this collection of individuals? He touts the importance of the jobs bill and the Occupy protesters collectively nod their heads. Tucked away in the jobs bill is a provision that will open a new avenue for debt collection harassment: cell phones. So, why would these people support him?
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bamawriter said:
If that is genuinely their beef, then why would they continue to support the Democrats? I'm not saying the Republicans are significantly better on the issue, but the Democrats have done everything short of turning tricks in order to protect the system that allowed the collapse to happen (and in Barney Frank's case, he might've turned tricks).

Dodd-Frank is hailed as a solution to the mess, but it intentionally left Freddie and Fannie in the ****ed up situation they were in before. You can tighten up on "Wall Street", but if you don't treat the systemic cause, you can never hope to permanently cure the symptoms.

So, if these protestors are really going after Wall Street because of the mortgage mess, they are protesting a cough while ignoring the lung cancer.
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In the early days of formation of the TP, it was all about venting frustration. Their wasn't a "plan" and it was very disorganized.

This has a similar feel. It might not stick, and could easily fade in a few weeks. But with the ease of communication via social media, they could just as readily turn into a significant political force, too.
 
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dreVol said:
What confuses me is the Occupy protesters are younger, college aged folks. One of their complaints is that they can't pay their student loans back (no job and the principal is huge). Yet, they rail against "corporations" and proclaim their support for the current administration. What has Obama done for this collection of individuals? He touts the importance of the jobs bill and the Occupy protesters collectively nod their heads. Tucked away in the jobs bill is a provision that will open a new avenue for debt collection harassment: cell phones. So, why would these people support him?
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Why would the TP continually vote for GOP members who lobbied for stimulus money for their political cronies?

Both sides are unhappy with their alleged voices. This isn't a pro-Obama thing. In fact, I imagine there's plenty of suspicion of him for favoring TARP and stimulus in light of what's going on in the middle class these days.

Are they more likely to favor Dem candidates? Sure. But they aren't all hippies. Some are, of course. But don't miss the forest for the tree here.

As Mr. Cain and Mr. Cantor have. Heck, I'd say even as Obama has, with his reaction yesterday saying we need a strong Wall Street for economic growth. That's true, of course, but not what the protestors want to hear right now.

They want an investigation and they want some folks to be held accountable for the mess. If they can't get that out of the folks in D.C., they are going to do things like the petition that young lady put together.

They've had enough of charges for this, charges for that, record banner profits and earnings, while cutting jobs and then the same folks benefiting from that clamoring for an end to social security.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This has a similar feel. It might not stick, and could easily fade in a few weeks. But with the ease of communication via social media, they could just as readily turn into a significant political force, too.
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hard to become a political force without any money
 
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lawgator1 said:
The TP hasn't seemed to me to be about money as much as votes, right?
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it's not about money but it's hard for a group of unemployed, college students to become a force. The people within the TP do have money (as studies have shown)
 
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utvolpj said:
it's not about money but it's hard for a group of unemployed, college students to become a force. The people within the TP do have money (as studies have shown)
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This movement is only gaining steam. Once they become actually organized and define their mission, they may become a force to be reckoned with.
 
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VOLatile said:
This movement is only gaining steam. Once they become actually organized and define their mission, they may become a force to be reckoned with.
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Well hopefully it's someone other than the ones that have been doing the talking since they sound like morons without a clue who to really be mad at. But I have no doubt the libs will step in soon and give them the correct talking points.
 
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VOLatile said:
This movement is only gaining steam. Once they become actually organized and define their mission, they may become a force to be reckoned with.
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Isn't this what the media said about the Coffee Party, too?
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