The Offensive Line Freeze play

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#26
Maybe the offsides was close, but the fact that they called PI on Croom was a joke. Best conference in America; worst refs in America. Will never understand it.
 
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Volforevera said:
Lets analyze it from a pure cost benefit analysis:

Costs:

1. Gives up the chance for the QB to have enough time to hang on and throw the ball deep on a free play.

2. Basically lets your QB get hit risking injury.

3. If they are not flagged offsides risks a turnover or a sack

Benefits:

1. None any positive result of the play would happen just as well with the O-line blocking which is why there are no plays called where the O- line stands still and does nothing.

In conclusion it is beyond stupid and asks for injuries and turnovers with no benefits. Needs to be addressed now.
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That is your biased cost benefit analysis. Now here is the opposite side:

Costs:

1. Risks QB getting hit.

Benefits:

1. Free chance for a TD on a 50-50 jump ball.

2. Referee knows there was movement and concludes the defense has to be guilty because the offensive line never moved.

3. Let's us show idiot poster he clearly does not share the opinion of the coach getting paid millions of dollars to make this decision!
 
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Unless my memory is faulty, and that is a possibility:crazy:, UT was one of the first schools to use this 30 years ago under Coach Majors.
 
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Fighting Possum said:
That is your biased cost benefit analysis. Now here is the opposite side:

Costs:

1. Risks QB getting hit.

Benefits:

1. Free chance for a TD on a 50-50 jump ball.

2. Referee knows there was movement and concludes the defense has to be guilty because the offensive line never moved.

3. Let's us show idiot poster he clearly does not share the opinion of the coach getting paid millions of dollars to make this decision!
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Ok to address your benefits:

1. Why can't you throw the free 50-50 jump ball and have the offensive line block, giving the qb even more time to wait for his receivers to get deep and not get hit.

2. Clearly disproved this week against UF. No flag was thrown even with our shenanigans.

3. Using that logic Butch is actually the idiot because he is going against what 99% of other coaches tell their teams to do. Its not like I'm suggesting something radical here I'm saying why don't we have our team behave like every other team in these situations. I don't see Saban or any other top program doing this gimmick play.
 
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volley said:
So funny. There were threads circle-jerking about how incredible this was after the same thing happened during WKU. It seems silly to me to not try to block for your QB on a free play.
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Seems silly to me a grown man (I'm assuming) actually types "circle-jerking" when talking about a football game.

I guess everybody has their opinion.
 
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Volforevera said:
Ok to address your benefits:

1. Why can't you throw the free 50-50 jump ball and have the offensive line block, giving the qb even more time to wait for his receivers to get deep and not get hit.

2. Clearly disproved this week against UF. No flag was thrown even with our shenanigans.

3. Using that logic Butch is actually the idiot because he is going against what 99% of other coaches tell their teams to do. Its not like I'm suggesting something radical here I'm saying why don't we have our team behave like every other team in these situations. I don't see Saban or any other top program doing this gimmick play.
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:crazy:
 
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Peterman sure looked like he didn't like the line standing still when he was running for his life.
 
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volley said:
So funny. There were threads circle-jerking about how incredible this was after the same thing happened during WKU. It seems silly to me to not try to block for your QB on a free play.
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I seem to remember you pointing that out a couple of weeks ago and one guy responding with . . .

GAVol said:
I didn't quite follow that either. It looked cool and all, but I don't get what the glory was in everybody staying in a stance and not moving once the ball was snapped.
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. I still don't get why they'd coach it that way. It's going to get flagged either way. They might as well protect.
 
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GAVol said:
I seem to remember you pointing that out a couple of weeks ago and one guy responding with . . .

. I still don't get why they'd coach it that way. It's going to get flagged either way. They might as well protect.
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You need discipline.
 
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The problem, of course, is lack of discipline by the defenses in those videos. Probably not gonna happen at the SEC level.
 
#39
#39
I think the reason the OL doesn't move is to help the ref see the offsides.
There is also the chance of roughing the passer on top of the offsides.
Plus the 50/50 jump ball.

I do think it leaves a little much too much decision making on the OL.
In the Wk game they looked brilliant and poised.
In the FL game, it looked like a bad decision.

I personally do not like the no move, as offsides is not a reviewed.
If it could be reviewed, it would be worth the risk.
Bottom line, always block at the line.
 
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I've said this before and I'll say it again. Everyone who thinks that this discipline has no benefit please read this.

One poster already mentioned that the O line goes on the designed call for the play. If you watch our offense. We do a lot of dummy calls, which are designed to get the defense to either jump off or show their blitz/coverages. When the QB is ready to make the real call, he then signals the left guard who relays the message to the center and rest of the line. And if we are in our fastest speed we line up and go.

So if someone jumps offside, it is the centers judgement to determine if and catch the defender off. Because the oline has not gotten the "go ahead" from the left guard, they are not set and therefore they stay still. The benefit of this is that because only one defender caused the penalty, and no offensive linemen are moving, the rest of the defense might not react or play a full defensive play. This could leave any of our 3-4 eligible receivers wide open. It is not the o lines fault that Peterman ran to the right and waited too long to throw the ball. He is taught to take a 2-3 step drop taking a quick scan of the defense and throw up top to the best option. In effect the play on the outside is almost the exact same as it would be of our line still tried to block as WRs and CBs all watch the snap. The only difference is that we may gain a half step or more on the defender as he sees the offense strangely standing still, which at this level gives us a huge advantage to make a big play.
 
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And as someone else mentioned, the Florida play was an example of the worst possible outcome. It was unfortunate.

But sometimes reverses result in a six yard loss because the backside end stays at home. And sometimes plays don't always work like they do the previous time. It's called football
 
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GAVol said:
I seem to remember you pointing that out a couple of weeks ago and one guy responding with . . .

. I still don't get why they'd coach it that way. It's going to get flagged either way. They might as well protect.
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Exactly.
If its a penalty, its a penalty whether you stay in a stance or not.
The only thing staying in a stance does is not give you as much time to take a shot. If your gonna teach taking a shot in that case, block. If not, take a knee or ground it.
 
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northknoxvol said:
It is stupid and will get your qb killed!
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sickemsmokey10 said:
How you can you say that a defense bull rushing your QB with NOBODY blocking them cannot get your QB seriously injured. That's just ridiculous that anyone would think that.
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Our coach isn't stupid, and I've never heard of a quarterback getting killed during this play.
 
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sickemsmokey10 said:
but it's more likely to happen than if they were blocking the defense.
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If your o-line doesn't move, the reaction by the d-line isn't gonna be the same. A QB that can't take a lick in that instance doesn't need to be on the field anyway.
 
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