The Offensive Line Freeze play

#51
#51
vollygirl said:
If your o-line doesn't move, the reaction by the d-line isn't gonna be the same. A QB that can't take a lick in that instance doesn't need to be on the field anyway.
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All it takes is the QB holding the ball too long and a ref not flagging the offsides to stop an unabated speed rush off the edge. I'm not a fan of it.
 
#52
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GAVol said:
All it takes is the QB holding the ball too long and a ref not flagging the offsides to stop an unabated speed rush off the edge. I'm not a fan of it.
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Is the QB not the one calling the snap count? You don't think he knows what the line is gonna do?
 
#55
#55
I saw the offsides and told my friend to watch that the line won't move because the announcers talked about it during WKU when it worked. I would like to see the play again also, but the announcers didn't have a clue and called it a trick play ignoring the offsides which irritated me.
It reminded me of when UT lost 10 seconds when a UF player helmet came off, and they said "oh well". But when they flagged UF for intentional knocking the ball out of bounds, they seemed to push a commercial break to get the flag fixed, irritating.
 
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vollygirl said:
Is the QB not the one calling the snap count? You don't think he knows what the line is gonna do?
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Our QBs?

If someone can explain what competitve edge we gain by not moving we may have something to actually discuss. I havent seen anything so far.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Our QBs?

If someone can explain what competitve edge we gain by not moving we may have something to actually discuss. I havent seen anything so far.
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Am I missing something? Our QB knows the center has snapped the ball before he finishes the snap count because the d-line has moved. Am I wrong about that?

The o-line standing still "confuses" the defense for a second or two and gives our receivers a head start getting down field, and we have a chance to throw. Is that not how it works?
 
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sickemsmokey10 said:
no. we're just shocked that someone would be ok with 250+ pound men rushing our QB without even being remotely blocked.
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Well we're not talking the Longest Yard kind of rush here. You assume you have competent refs calling the game. And if that's the case, in the time it takes them to blow the whistle your receiver has gone down field and you make the throw. You decline the penalty and have how ever much free yardage you were able to get out it. Your line, your receivers, and your quarterback all know what is happening. The only ones caught off guard is the other team. Am I wrong about that? (Not being argumentative, I'm honestly trying to understand both sides of this.)
 
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Does anybody remember the "Fumblerooski Play'', where the center just pretends to center the ball, but, instead just leaves it on the ground and a 300 pound lineman picks up the ball and lumbers it mostly untouched as far as he can run it and actually scores? I think this was back either in the 80s or early 90s against Ole Miss or Miss. State. Whenever it was, it worked and it was definitely a surprise! I think we had to clear it with the Ref before we did it though. Do we have any 300 lineman with good hands and who can run? Tennessee needs the element of surprise in a BIG way!
 
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bbeacham said:
Does anybody remember the "Fumblerooski Play'', where the center just pretends to center the ball, but, instead just leaves it on the ground and a 300 pound lineman picks up the ball and lumbers it mostly untouched as far as he can run it and actually scores? I think this was back either in the 80s or early 90s against Ole Miss or Miss. State. Whenever it was, it worked and it was definitely a surprise! I think we had to clear it with the Ref before we did it though. Do we have any 300 lineman with good hands and who can run? Tennessee needs the element of surprise in a BIG way!
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if I'm not mistaken, I think the Fumblerooski is an illegal play now.
 
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This happened against Oregon, and it was cited on VN as a mark of the discipline of our team.
 
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#64
This has been discussed you are right. 97% of everyone thought it was awesome also. Most thought the team was excellently coached for doing so. Funny how 2 loses.. (to 2 teams that we all knew going in were probably gonna be loses) how Butch is losing the overwhelming support of our fan base. We still have lots out there that understand and realize we are taking baby steps I know. Its just funny how quick our fans can turn when we whip 2 cupcakes like we should have and lose to 2 teams that we all knew would be loses (in our hearts). Stay behind Butch and staff. I think he is the coach to get up back to where we used to be....at or near the top!!! GBO!!!
 
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vollygirl said:
Am I missing something? Our QB knows the center has snapped the ball before he finishes the snap count because the d-line has moved. Am I wrong about that?

The o-line standing still "confuses" the defense for a second or two and gives our receivers a head start getting down field, and we have a chance to throw. Is that not how it works?
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Its a penalty either way, and the DL knows when the ball has been snapped.

Im not sure, I have yet to see it work to our advantage for our OL not to block on a passing play.

If I can gain 1 or 2 seconds for my QB to take the best shot by my OL blocking I ll take that.
 
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TNVOLNUT said:
This has been discussed you are right. 97% of everyone thought it was awesome also. Most thought the team was excellently coached for doing so. Funny how 2 loses.. (to 2 teams that we all knew going in were probably gonna be loses) how Butch is losing the overwhelming support of our fan base. We still have lots out there that understand and realize we are taking baby steps I know. Its just funny how quick our fans can turn when we whip 2 cupcakes like we should have and lose to 2 teams that we all knew would be loses (in our hearts). Stay behind Butch and staff. I think he is the coach to get up back to where we used to be....at or near the top!!! GBO!!!
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I was in the 3 percent the first time it happened. I dont see the cool factor I guess.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I was in the 3 percent the first time it happened. I dont see the cool factor I guess.
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I thought it was hilarious and cool....but after reading the thread and processing...it is kind of like giving a 10 year old a bb gun....it is all fun and games until somebody loses an eye....or a thumb.
 
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Lexvol said:
I thought it was hilarious and cool....but after reading the thread and processing...it is kind of like giving a 10 year old a bb gun....it is all fun and games until somebody loses an eye....or a thumb.
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You would.

The stripes screwing up twice on the play didnt help.
 
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jamesthesame said:
I honestly didn't think that play was offsides. I thought the Florida guy jumped back onsides before the ball was snapped.
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It wasn't the guy who jumped, the defensive end on the left side of the field was lined up way past the neutral zone. Thats what Butch was going ballistic about on the sidelines. Thats also why the offensive line didnt move, They saw him offsides. As far as the QB goes, he is suppose to get rid of the ball in a two step drop and if a defensive player is going at the quarterback with a free path the referee is suppose to blow the play dead. Problem was they didnt call the offsides. Also peterman hit the players helmet. that happens during normal play also.
 
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This type of play works if you have one on one with the DB playing tight and the receiver has a speed advantage. Because the qb has to get rid of it quickly and basically throw it up for grabs.

I could see it against the WKU's of the world but not UF or Bama. It won't work. Better to protect your QB.

I was one who thought it was a good idea against WKU but it didn't work. Either the QB didn't get rid of it fast enough, the WR did get off the line fast enough, etc.
 
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vollygirl said:
No it's not and no it won't.
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Correct. Peterman was as startled by the play as the UF D. He paused, then tried a 5 step drop and nearly got killed.

Worley executed it perfectly v WKU. Took snap and instantly (maturity) took a two or three step drop and launched it. Even UFs DLine would not reach you if you play QB right.

I think it's good coaching, not only for a 95% chance at a free big play attempt, but equally BC I e it helping our oline NOT have to be as disciplined. What I mean is all they have to think about is move on snap count, period. How many times have you seen a guard or tackle jump when a DL acts like he's coming pre snap? This year the 4 linemen never move until the snap count, period.
Peterman was not ready for it or would have not looked so bad.

Good strategy IMO.
 
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